Re: Kol Isha

[Eliezer Kaplan <zelwel...>]

She's Pakistani.


----- Original Message -----
From: "WINSTON WEILHEIMER" <nusach (at) hotmail(dot)com>
To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kol Isha


> ELIEZER...please forgive me, my comments were actually directed to Jordan.
> I like your pov....no I have not heard her work...does she have recordings
> (getting back to jewish music topic...and an email address where i can see
> if she would like to be on the show?
> winston
> *********************************************************
>
> >From: "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) earthlink(dot)net>
> >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Kol Isha
> >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:38:00 -0600
> >
> >Winston-
> >     If you want my pov, go back into the archives the last time this
topic
> >came up, & you'll find it there.
> >     I'm Orthodox (at least if one wants to make arbitrary divisions, and
> >try
> >and label deeply held personal beliefs which develop over lifetimes, one
> >could probably call me that),  I think the Kol Isha thing is idiotic
> >(please
> >don't blast me, Jordan- I'm not trying to start a flame war- I'm just
> >trying
> >to be realistic and relevant to the world we live in), and I personally
> >don't observe the restriction.
> >     My wife tells a story about a family that always would always cut
the
> >corners off the roast before putting it the oven. One day, someone
thought
> >to ask Grandma if she knew why it was done- her answer? Because her
> >grandma's pan was shaped that way. Sometimes the institutionalized piece
of
> >a religion can be like that.
> >     On the other hand (and, 99.9% of the time there IS an other hand)
our
> >father's traditions are in our hands- it's not a simple thing to change
> >traditions, though, over the course of time, like it or not, guys (and
> >gals), they do change.
> >     As far as female vocalists go, have I mentioned Abida Parveen? Sings
> >like an angel...
> >                                     EK
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "WINSTON WEILHEIMER" <nusach (at) hotmail(dot)com>
> >To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> >Subject: Re: Kol Isha
> >
> >
> > > Do we REALLY want to get into this discussion further on this
list...im
> > > willing, but there are other lists more appropriate.  Eliezer, an
> > > observtion.  If you do not wish to share your own personal views,
simply
> > > don't comment on these issues.  when you reply, you are bound to be
> >asked
> >to
> > > comment from your pov.
> > >
> > > As to those on the list who are offended by KOL ISHA issue, (as I am)
I
> >am
> > > perfectly willing to let those in the orthodox community continue to
> >live
> >in
> > > the past and suggest that women boycott their functions on the basis
of
> >the
> > > protest!  It won't matter to them, cause don't want you there in the
> >first
> > > place.
> > > winston
> > >
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> > >
> > > >From: "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) earthlink(dot)net>
> > > >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > > >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > > >Subject: Re: Kol Isha
> > > >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:30:06 -0600
> > > >
> > > > > In my view (and many others agree), Judaism has survived only
> >because
> >it
> > > >has
> > > > > accepted change,
> > > >
> > > >Marvin- 2 words- Intermarriage Rate. I don't think Judaism is really
> > > >surviving in America!
> > > >                     EK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Marvin" <physchem (at) telocity(dot)com>
> > > >To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:03 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: Kol Isha
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > To show where I "come from" on this matter, I'm a Reform Jew who
> > > > > has studied Torah (my mixed male/female group finished the last of
> >the
> > > >five
> > > > > books late last year, after spending an hour most weeks for more
> >than
> > > >four
> > > > > years with our Rabbi, reading and debating line by line), but not
> > > >Talmud.
> > > >I
> > > > > respect the differing views of other Jews, but I don't accept
claims
> > > >some
> > > > > make that their views are the only legitimate ones, or that it has
> > > >"always
> > > > > been that way".  I especially resent those who say I'm not Jewish.
> > > >Perhaps
> > > > > they need to be reminded that, not matter how observent thay are,
> >there
> > > >is
> > > > > always someone who thinks he is holier.
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple of years ago, the question of who Jacob wrestled with
came
> >up
> > > >on
> > > >a
> > > > > Jewish humor newsgroup.  I made the comment that in a modern
> >context,
> > > > > considering the circumstances surrounding Jacob's experience, one
> >might
> > > >say
> > > > > that he wrestled with his conscience.  I quickly got an e-mail
> >informing
> > > >me
> > > > > that only rabbis are allowed to make such comments.  I mention
that
> >only
> > > >as
> > > > > an example of the kind of thinking I won't accept.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my view (and many others agree), Judaism has survived only
> >because
> >it
> > > >has
> > > > > accepted change, most notably when the priesthood lost out to the
> > > >rabbis.
> > > > > The change is still going on, and one modern aspect is the growing
> > > >rights
> > > >of
> > > > > women.  When they want to, even the most Orthodox rabbis manage to
> >find
> > > > > reason to change halachah.  In terms of women singing, I
understand
> >that
> > > > > more than half the cantorial students for the last several years
> >have
> > > >been
> > > > > women, and they are accepted by both Conservative and Reform
> > > >congregations.
> > > > > The numerically prevailing view among congregation rabbis in the
US
> > > >supports
> > > > > women as cantors, which doesn't mean that all rabbis must accept
> >them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't automatically give in to those who wish to control a group
> > > >(e.g.,
> > > >a
> > > > > concert) by objecting that an activity isn't allowed under the
rules
> > > >that
> > > > > they follow.  There are other interpretations by rabbis who are
well
> > > > > qualified.  I wouldn't force anyone to violate his principles, but
> >the
> > > > > person who is offended can leave the room.
> > > > >
> > > > > Conflicts of laws and rights occur in other contexts, and in the
> >U.S.
> > > >there
> > > > > is a principle often stated as "your rights end at the tip of my
> >nose".
> > > > >
> > > > > Marvin Margoshes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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