Re: Kol Isha

[WINSTON WEILHEIMER <nusach...>]

Do we REALLY want to get into this discussion further on this list...im 
willing, but there are other lists more appropriate.  Eliezer, an 
observtion.  If you do not wish to share your own personal views, simply 
don't comment on these issues.  when you reply, you are bound to be asked to 
comment from your pov.

As to those on the list who are offended by KOL ISHA issue, (as I am) I am 
perfectly willing to let those in the orthodox community continue to live in 
the past and suggest that women boycott their functions on the basis of the 
protest!  It won't matter to them, cause don't want you there in the first 
place.
winston
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>From: "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) earthlink(dot)net>
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:30:06 -0600
>
> > In my view (and many others agree), Judaism has survived only because it
>has
> > accepted change,
>
>Marvin- 2 words- Intermarriage Rate. I don't think Judaism is really
>surviving in America!
>                     EK
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marvin" <physchem (at) telocity(dot)com>
>To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:03 AM
>Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>
>
> > To show where I "come from" on this matter, I'm a Reform Jew who
> > has studied Torah (my mixed male/female group finished the last of the
>five
> > books late last year, after spending an hour most weeks for more than 
>four
> > years with our Rabbi, reading and debating line by line), but not 
>Talmud.
>I
> > respect the differing views of other Jews, but I don't accept claims 
>some
> > make that their views are the only legitimate ones, or that it has 
>"always
> > been that way".  I especially resent those who say I'm not Jewish.
>Perhaps
> > they need to be reminded that, not matter how observent thay are, there 
>is
> > always someone who thinks he is holier.
> >
> > A couple of years ago, the question of who Jacob wrestled with came up 
>on
>a
> > Jewish humor newsgroup.  I made the comment that in a modern context,
> > considering the circumstances surrounding Jacob's experience, one might
>say
> > that he wrestled with his conscience.  I quickly got an e-mail informing
>me
> > that only rabbis are allowed to make such comments.  I mention that only
>as
> > an example of the kind of thinking I won't accept.
> >
> > In my view (and many others agree), Judaism has survived only because it
>has
> > accepted change, most notably when the priesthood lost out to the 
>rabbis.
> > The change is still going on, and one modern aspect is the growing 
>rights
>of
> > women.  When they want to, even the most Orthodox rabbis manage to find
> > reason to change halachah.  In terms of women singing, I understand that
> > more than half the cantorial students for the last several years have 
>been
> > women, and they are accepted by both Conservative and Reform
>congregations.
> > The numerically prevailing view among congregation rabbis in the US
>supports
> > women as cantors, which doesn't mean that all rabbis must accept them.
> >
> > I don't automatically give in to those who wish to control a group 
>(e.g.,
>a
> > concert) by objecting that an activity isn't allowed under the rules 
>that
> > they follow.  There are other interpretations by rabbis who are well
> > qualified.  I wouldn't force anyone to violate his principles, but the
> > person who is offended can leave the room.
> >
> > Conflicts of laws and rights occur in other contexts, and in the U.S.
>there
> > is a principle often stated as "your rights end at the tip of my nose".
> >
> > Marvin Margoshes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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