Re: kol isha in action

[Sylvia Schildt <creativa...>]

As someone planning a major event in which all - Orthodox and non-Orthodox
would feel comfortable ... I arranged optional provisions for strict kashrut
and Shabes services, but I don't impose these provisions on anyone else --
it's a choice. There will be plenty of Kol Isha (including Lorele) and if it
offend someone, he needn't attend.  He won't be missed.

Respect cuts both ways. The  Ultra-Orthodox Community needs to learn to
respect the sensibilities of the rest of the Jewish World, not just demand
respect from everyone else.. Respect doesn't necessarily mean compliance --
it means allowing for the possibility that not everyone agrees with you.


I think the greater offense here is the capitulation of the WORKMEN'S
CIRCLE!  Where is the respect due a performer willing to perform for free in
support of Israel?


Sylvia Schildt

on 2/20/03 6:22 PM, avi finegold at afinegold (at) yahoo(dot)com wrote:

> 
> --- Dan Jacobs <dan (at) caliginous(dot)com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It's not a custom it's Jewish law (a law that is
>> offensive and
>> un-necessary), 
> 
> 
> youre right about the law part but what makes you
> think you have the right to pass judgement for
> orthodoxy on relative offensiveness and unnecesariness
> 
> that may be the case for you but plenty of people dont
> find it to be the case.
> as contentious an issue as it may be, many people
> still view it as an integral part of halacha, whether
> or not you approve of it. for most people this doesnt
> interfere with their everyday life and they dont shove
> it into peoples faces, they simply dont go to events
> where this might pose a problem for them. now you have
> to admit that when someone is organizing an event they
> have to take into consideration that they have to
> accomodate any people that they are inviting to the
> event. im not talking about people they might sell
> tickets to, i refer here to people whom theyve
> specifically said that they would like to see there as
> a guest of honour or something else along those lines.
> why cant you see it as a case of some people eat
> kosher and therefore when those people go to events
> people provide appropriate food solutions for them. in
> this case some people cannot allow themselves
> halachically to hear a woman singing and therefore a
> concession must be made to ensure that no one will
> feel uncomfortable.
> 
> im not saying that i think its a wonderful or terrible
> halacha im just saying that some people (regardless of
> their personal viewpoint about the halacha as well),
> abide by it and its not right to state that they are
> in the wrong just for being orthodox the way they
> believe orthodoxy is meant to be.
> 
> 
> avi
> 
> 
> 
> so you need to give it a little more
>> respect than that.
>> The best way to handle a situation like this is to
>> educate yourself and others.
>> 
>> The fact is that there are strong halachik (Jewish
>> Legal) arguments
>> against Kol Isha, i.e. that listening to a woman's
>> voice is not a problem,
>> understanding what these are and being able to
>> present them when necessary
>> would be a more constructive approach then being
>> dismissive.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Eliezer Kaplan wrote:
>> 
>>>> Love,
>>>> 
>>>> Rosa Parks
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maybe that's what's gotta happen. Maybe some
>> community needs to have it in
>>> their face and take it upon themselves to realize
>> that in our times living
>>> in our world this is ridiculous and to set a
>> precedent for changing the
>>> custom. And why do I feel so much like that old
>> Steve Martin character on
>>> Saturday Night Live saying it?
>>> 
>>> EK
>>> 
>>> www.zelwel.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> - Dan Jacobs
>> - 07956 246 659
>> 
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