Re: kol isha in action

[Sylvia Schildt <creativa...>]

Maybe not parallel but definitely tangential. I spoke with a presenter who
told me she couldn't abide the saltiness and dried out taste of kosher meat,
so even there it can be an issue. She was glad to have an option.

Even as halacha the kol isha thing is debatable, not a universal given.

Hey, why don't we start a new halacha for women - kol odom - women shouldn't
hear distracting and tantalizing male voices.


Sylvia Schildt






on 2/20/03 6:30 PM, Lori Cahan-Simon at l_cahan (at) staff(dot)chuh(dot)org 
wrote:

I don't think that using kashrut is a parallel example.  If you go to an
event with kosher food, everyone can still eat it.  Kashrut is spelled out
in the Torah.  Kol Isha was created by a human.  Kashrut has made sense for
many reasons in many times in history.  Kol Isha does not make sense.  I
understand that many people abide by it.  Shall I say that people of African
descent and women were not allowed to vote in this country by law, and that
people abided by it and so we should respect that and not try to change it?
It was wrong.  Again, I challenge someone to tell me how my woman's voice
offends, aside from stating that it is Halacha.
Lorele

avi finegold wrote:
--- Dan Jacobs <dan (at) caliginous(dot)com> <mailto:dan (at) 
caliginous(dot)com>  wrote:
 
Hi,

It's not a custom it's Jewish law (a law that is
offensive and
un-necessary), 
   


youre right about the law part but what makes you
think you have the right to pass judgement for
orthodoxy on relative offensiveness and unnecesariness

that may be the case for you but plenty of people dont
find it to be the case.
as contentious an issue as it may be, many people
still view it as an integral part of halacha, whether
or not you approve of it. for most people this doesnt
interfere with their everyday life and they dont shove
it into peoples faces, they simply dont go to events
where this might pose a problem for them. now you have
to admit that when someone is organizing an event they
have to take into consideration that they have to
accomodate any people that they are inviting to the
event. im not talking about people they might sell
tickets to, i refer here to people whom theyve
specifically said that they would like to see there as
a guest of honour or something else along those lines.
why cant you see it as a case of some people eat
kosher and therefore when those people go to events
people provide appropriate food solutions for them. in
this case some people cannot allow themselves
halachically to hear a woman singing and therefore a
concession must be made to ensure that no one will
feel uncomfortable.

im not saying that i think its a wonderful or terrible
halacha im just saying that some people (regardless of
their personal viewpoint about the halacha as well),
abide by it and its not right to state that they are
in the wrong just for being orthodox the way they
believe orthodoxy is meant to be.


avi



so you need to give it a little more
 
respect than that.
The best way to handle a situation like this is to
educate yourself and others.

The fact is that there are strong halachik (Jewish
Legal) arguments
against Kol Isha, i.e. that listening to a woman's
voice is not a problem,
understanding what these are and being able to
present them when necessary
would be a more constructive approach then being
dismissive.

Cheers,

Dan

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Eliezer Kaplan wrote:

   
Love,

Rosa Parks

       
Maybe that's what's gotta happen. Maybe some
     
community needs to have it in
   
their face and take it upon themselves to realize
     
that in our times living
   
in our world this is ridiculous and to set a
     
precedent for changing the
   
custom. And why do I feel so much like that old
     
Steve Martin character on
   
Saturday Night Live saying it?

                           EK

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