Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music

[richard_wolpoe <richard_wolpoe...>]

My understanding is that Idelsohn's 2 books, Jewish Music and Jewish Liturgy are
basic texts.

Cantor Macy Nulman, indirectly a mentor of mine, has several books on the 
subject, too.

Regards,
Rich Wolpoe 

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Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music  
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Date:    12/28/98 1:09 PM


Richard,

Idelsohn has a chapter "Song of the Synagogue" in Jewish Music.  I've 
also heard that Eric Werner is good to read on the relationship 
between Jewish and Christian music, but I don't have any of his books 
yet.  Should I?

I believe that I've also heard the "Maoz Tsur" melody used in a record 
of a seder from Northern Africa (perhaps Fez, Morrocco).  I wish I 
knew how it got there.  It's fascinating how these tunes can travel.

Bob
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From: richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com <richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com>
To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org> 
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music


>I believe Idelson discusses the origins of Jewish liturgical music. 
>
>Just as a general rule, it is often the case that the jewish litrugy 
aand the
>Xtian liturgy BOTH adapted from common folk melodies rather than 
directly from
>each other.
>
>EG the traditional Maoz Tsur melody is also used as a Lutheran hymn. 
The most
>likely explanation is that both Jews and Lutherans adapted their 
respective
>meoldies from a popular German marching song, rahter than from one 
another.
>
>Regards,
>Rich Wolpoe
>
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>Is there any material (e.g., books, articles, dissertations, 
>discographies) on Jewish musical themes in classical music, 
especially
>the less obvious compositions?  I do think that I saw something in 
the
>Jewish Theological Seminary collection of dissertations from the 
>Cantorial School, but it was basically on the more obvious 
>copositions, e.g., Bloch.
>
>I would also be especially interested in material on the use of 
>non-Jewish themes, popular or classical, in Jewish liturgical music 
>(besides the Aleinu tunes and Adon Olam settings to popular song). 
>
>Bob
>
>