Re: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music

[Judy Fertig <fertig...>]

Bob:
Here's my $.02......
Speaking of reprint books:
Did anyone mention Albert Weisser's Modern Renaissance of Jewish Music? 

Other books:
A "must have" for those who study synagogue music: I especially like Amnon
Shiloah's Jewish Musical Traditions and Joseph Levine's Synagogue Song in
America.

And no one mentioned Mark Slobin's Chosen Voices? It's really a wonderful
read as well as a good history of the cantorate in America. Its full of
colorful anecdotes and quotes from sources of the day giving a zesty and
often amusing picture of early Jewish life in America.

And the awesome book by Macy Nulman: Concepts of Jewish Music and Prayer.
(out of print?-- does anyone have a copy of this available?)
Hanoch Avernary's Ashkenazy Tradition of Biblical Chant Between 1500-1900
(out of print)
Does anyone know of a copy of Off the Willows by Abraham Soltes?

The Peter Gradenwitz, The Music of Israel is a revised and expanded version
of the previous book. It's good to have the newer edition even if you
already have the older version.
Judy.




At 11:02 AM 12/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Elliot,
>
>Thanks for the list of suggested books.
>
>According to amazon.com, the Werner is out of print, while the Fromm
>may be available.
>
>Is the Idelsohn, A.Z.: Jewish Music... an actual 3rd edition or only a
>3rd printing of the original additon?
>
>I ask because amazon.com lists it as a reprint edition (July 1992) of
>535 pages, and my Schocken copy (a Second Printing, 1972) is also 535
>pages.
>
>Bob
>-----Original Message-----
>From: elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU <elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU>
>To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Cc: elkahn <elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU>
>Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 10:19 AM
>Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
>
>
>>May I suggest the following books for a solid grounding in the
>history,
>>aesthetics and musical language of Jewish music?
>>
>>Idelsohn, A.Z. Jewish music in its historical development, 3rd
>edition,
>>NY: Dover, 1992.
>>
>>Gradenwitz, Peter. The music of Israel, 2nd edition, Portland:
>Amadeus
>>Press, 1996. (Don't use the first edition)
>>
>>Werner, Eric. A voice still heard: the sacred songs of the Ashkenazic
>>Jews, University Park: Penn. State Press, 1976.
>>
>>Heskes, Irene. Passport to Jewish music, Westport, Conn.: Greenwood
>Press,
>>1994.
>>
>>Some excellent out of print sources which we have at the Library of
>the
>>Jewish Theological Seminary:
>>
>>Fromm, Herbert. On Jewish Music: a composer's view, NY: Bloch, 1978.
>>
>>Rothmueller, Aaron-Marko. The music of the Jews: an historical
>>appreciation, South Brunswick: T. Tosseloff, 1967.
>>
>>Saminsky, Lazare. Music of the ghetto and the bible, NY: Bloch, 1934.
>>
>>I can't recommend the Saminsky or the Fromm book highly enough for
>those
>>of you interested in what constitutes "Jewish Music." This is a very
>old
>>discussion that dates back -- in our time, anyway -- to the turn of
>the
>>century.
>>
>>I am not familiar with Mark Slobin's TENEMENT SONGS, but this also
>might
>>be a valuable resource for the study of American Yiddish Theatre
>music.
>>
>>The Nulman ENCYCLOPEDIA OF JEWISH MUSIC has its value as a general
>>reference but -- be forewarned -- it did not receive kind reviews
>from
>>Jewish musicologists when it first appeared.
>>
>>Hope this is helpful,
>>
>>Eliott Kahn
>>Music Archivist
>>Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary
>>3080 Broadway
>>New York, NY 10027
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, robert wiener wrote:
>>
>>> I've been on the lookout for Jewish Music books over the years, so
>I
>>> have both Idelsohn books and Nulman's Concise Encyclopedia of
>Jewish
>>> Music.  What other books are considered good for a library on the
>>> topic above in particular (and Jewish music in general)?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com <richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com>
>>> To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>>> Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
>>>
>>>
>>> >My understanding is that Idelsohn's 2 books, Jewish Music and
>Jewish
>>> Liturgy are
>>> >basic texts.
>>> >
>>> >Cantor Macy Nulman, indirectly a mentor of mine, has several books
>on
>>> the
>>> >subject, too.
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >Rich Wolpoe
>>> >
>>> >______________________________ Reply Separator
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>>> >Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
>>> >Author:  <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org> at Tcpgate
>>> >Date:    12/28/98 1:09 PM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Richard,
>>> >
>>> >Idelsohn has a chapter "Song of the Synagogue" in Jewish Music.
>I've
>>> >also heard that Eric Werner is good to read on the relationship
>>> >between Jewish and Christian music, but I don't have any of his
>books
>>> >yet.  Should I?
>>> >
>>> >I believe that I've also heard the "Maoz Tsur" melody used in a
>>> record
>>> >of a seder from Northern Africa (perhaps Fez, Morrocco).  I wish I
>>> >knew how it got there.  It's fascinating how these tunes can
>travel.
>>> >
>>> >Bob
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com <richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com>
>>> >To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>>> >Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:52 AM
>>> >Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I believe Idelson discusses the origins of Jewish liturgical
>music.
>>> >>
>>> >>Just as a general rule, it is often the case that the jewish
>litrugy
>>> >aand the
>>> >>Xtian liturgy BOTH adapted from common folk melodies rather than
>>> >directly from
>>> >>each other.
>>> >>
>>> >>EG the traditional Maoz Tsur melody is also used as a Lutheran
>hymn.
>>> >The most
>>> >>likely explanation is that both Jews and Lutherans adapted their
>>> >respective
>>> >>meoldies from a popular German marching song, rahter than from
>one
>>> >another.
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards,
>>> >>Rich Wolpoe
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>______________________________ Reply Separator
>>> >_________________________________
>>> >>Subject: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
>>> >>Author:  <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org> at Tcpgate
>>> >>Date:    12/27/98 5:39 PM
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Is there any material (e.g., books, articles, dissertations,
>>> >>discographies) on Jewish musical themes in classical music,
>>> >especially
>>> >>the less obvious compositions?  I do think that I saw something
>in
>>> >the
>>> >>Jewish Theological Seminary collection of dissertations from the
>>> >>Cantorial School, but it was basically on the more obvious
>>> >>copositions, e.g., Bloch.
>>> >>
>>> >>I would also be especially interested in material on the use of
>>> >>non-Jewish themes, popular or classical, in Jewish liturgical
>music
>>> >>(besides the Aleinu tunes and Adon Olam settings to popular
>song).
>>> >>
>>> >>Bob
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
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