Re: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music

[robert wiener <wiener...>]

I've been on the lookout for Jewish Music books over the years, so I
have both Idelsohn books and Nulman's Concise Encyclopedia of Jewish
Music.  What other books are considered good for a library on the
topic above in particular (and Jewish music in general)?

Bob
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From: richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com <richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com>
To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:22 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music


>My understanding is that Idelsohn's 2 books, Jewish Music and Jewish
Liturgy are
>basic texts.
>
>Cantor Macy Nulman, indirectly a mentor of mine, has several books on
the
>subject, too.
>
>Regards,
>Rich Wolpoe
>
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>Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
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>Date:    12/28/98 1:09 PM
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>Richard,
>
>Idelsohn has a chapter "Song of the Synagogue" in Jewish Music.  I've
>also heard that Eric Werner is good to read on the relationship
>between Jewish and Christian music, but I don't have any of his books
>yet.  Should I?
>
>I believe that I've also heard the "Maoz Tsur" melody used in a
record
>of a seder from Northern Africa (perhaps Fez, Morrocco).  I wish I
>knew how it got there.  It's fascinating how these tunes can travel.
>
>Bob
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>From: richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com <richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com>
>To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:52 AM
>Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
>
>
>>I believe Idelson discusses the origins of Jewish liturgical music.
>>
>>Just as a general rule, it is often the case that the jewish litrugy
>aand the
>>Xtian liturgy BOTH adapted from common folk melodies rather than
>directly from
>>each other.
>>
>>EG the traditional Maoz Tsur melody is also used as a Lutheran hymn.
>The most
>>likely explanation is that both Jews and Lutherans adapted their
>respective
>>meoldies from a popular German marching song, rahter than from one
>another.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Rich Wolpoe
>>
>>
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>>Subject: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
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>>Date:    12/27/98 5:39 PM
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>>
>>Is there any material (e.g., books, articles, dissertations,
>>discographies) on Jewish musical themes in classical music,
>especially
>>the less obvious compositions?  I do think that I saw something in
>the
>>Jewish Theological Seminary collection of dissertations from the
>>Cantorial School, but it was basically on the more obvious
>>copositions, e.g., Bloch.
>>
>>I would also be especially interested in material on the use of
>>non-Jewish themes, popular or classical, in Jewish liturgical music
>>(besides the Aleinu tunes and Adon Olam settings to popular song).
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
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