Re: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music

[elkahn <elkahn...>]

bob:

sorry, it's a reprint.

eliott


On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, robert wiener wrote:

> Elliot,
> 
> Thanks for the list of suggested books.
> 
> According to amazon.com, the Werner is out of print, while the Fromm
> may be available.
> 
> Is the Idelsohn, A.Z.: Jewish Music... an actual 3rd edition or only a
> 3rd printing of the original additon?
> 
> I ask because amazon.com lists it as a reprint edition (July 1992) of
> 535 pages, and my Schocken copy (a Second Printing, 1972) is also 535
> pages.
> 
> Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU <elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU>
> To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Cc: elkahn <elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
> 
> 
> >May I suggest the following books for a solid grounding in the
> history,
> >aesthetics and musical language of Jewish music?
> >
> >Idelsohn, A.Z. Jewish music in its historical development, 3rd
> edition,
> >NY: Dover, 1992.
> >
> >Gradenwitz, Peter. The music of Israel, 2nd edition, Portland:
> Amadeus
> >Press, 1996. (Don't use the first edition)
> >
> >Werner, Eric. A voice still heard: the sacred songs of the Ashkenazic
> >Jews, University Park: Penn. State Press, 1976.
> >
> >Heskes, Irene. Passport to Jewish music, Westport, Conn.: Greenwood
> Press,
> >1994.
> >
> >Some excellent out of print sources which we have at the Library of
> the
> >Jewish Theological Seminary:
> >
> >Fromm, Herbert. On Jewish Music: a composer's view, NY: Bloch, 1978.
> >
> >Rothmueller, Aaron-Marko. The music of the Jews: an historical
> >appreciation, South Brunswick: T. Tosseloff, 1967.
> >
> >Saminsky, Lazare. Music of the ghetto and the bible, NY: Bloch, 1934.
> >
> >I can't recommend the Saminsky or the Fromm book highly enough for
> those
> >of you interested in what constitutes "Jewish Music." This is a very
> old
> >discussion that dates back -- in our time, anyway -- to the turn of
> the
> >century.
> >
> >I am not familiar with Mark Slobin's TENEMENT SONGS, but this also
> might
> >be a valuable resource for the study of American Yiddish Theatre
> music.
> >
> >The Nulman ENCYCLOPEDIA OF JEWISH MUSIC has its value as a general
> >reference but -- be forewarned -- it did not receive kind reviews
> from
> >Jewish musicologists when it first appeared.
> >
> >Hope this is helpful,
> >
> >Eliott Kahn
> >Music Archivist
> >Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary
> >3080 Broadway
> >New York, NY 10027
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, robert wiener wrote:
> >
> >> I've been on the lookout for Jewish Music books over the years, so
> I
> >> have both Idelsohn books and Nulman's Concise Encyclopedia of
> Jewish
> >> Music.  What other books are considered good for a library on the
> >> topic above in particular (and Jewish music in general)?
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com <richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com>
> >> To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >> Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:22 PM
> >> Subject: Re[2]: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
> >>
> >>
> >> >My understanding is that Idelsohn's 2 books, Jewish Music and
> Jewish
> >> Liturgy are
> >> >basic texts.
> >> >
> >> >Cantor Macy Nulman, indirectly a mentor of mine, has several books
> on
> >> the
> >> >subject, too.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Rich Wolpoe
> >> >
> >> >______________________________ Reply Separator
> >> _________________________________
> >> >Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
> >> >Author:  <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org> at Tcpgate
> >> >Date:    12/28/98 1:09 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Richard,
> >> >
> >> >Idelsohn has a chapter "Song of the Synagogue" in Jewish Music.
> I've
> >> >also heard that Eric Werner is good to read on the relationship
> >> >between Jewish and Christian music, but I don't have any of his
> books
> >> >yet.  Should I?
> >> >
> >> >I believe that I've also heard the "Maoz Tsur" melody used in a
> >> record
> >> >of a seder from Northern Africa (perhaps Fez, Morrocco).  I wish I
> >> >knew how it got there.  It's fascinating how these tunes can
> travel.
> >> >
> >> >Bob
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com <richard_wolpoe (at) ibi(dot)com>
> >> >To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >> >Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:52 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>I believe Idelson discusses the origins of Jewish liturgical
> music.
> >> >>
> >> >>Just as a general rule, it is often the case that the jewish
> litrugy
> >> >aand the
> >> >>Xtian liturgy BOTH adapted from common folk melodies rather than
> >> >directly from
> >> >>each other.
> >> >>
> >> >>EG the traditional Maoz Tsur melody is also used as a Lutheran
> hymn.
> >> >The most
> >> >>likely explanation is that both Jews and Lutherans adapted their
> >> >respective
> >> >>meoldies from a popular German marching song, rahter than from
> one
> >> >another.
> >> >>
> >> >>Regards,
> >> >>Rich Wolpoe
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>______________________________ Reply Separator
> >> >_________________________________
> >> >>Subject: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
> >> >>Author:  <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org> at Tcpgate
> >> >>Date:    12/27/98 5:39 PM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Is there any material (e.g., books, articles, dissertations,
> >> >>discographies) on Jewish musical themes in classical music,
> >> >especially
> >> >>the less obvious compositions?  I do think that I saw something
> in
> >> >the
> >> >>Jewish Theological Seminary collection of dissertations from the
> >> >>Cantorial School, but it was basically on the more obvious
> >> >>copositions, e.g., Bloch.
> >> >>
> >> >>I would also be especially interested in material on the use of
> >> >>non-Jewish themes, popular or classical, in Jewish liturgical
> music
> >> >>(besides the Aleinu tunes and Adon Olam settings to popular
> song).
> >> >>
> >> >>Bob
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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