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Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
- From: robert cohen <rlc...>
- Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
- Date: Mon 01 Feb 1999 19.44 (GMT)
Bob: First, a caution: If you reply to this, please do NOT hit the reply
button, which well send it back to a now-unused address (long story; won't
bother you). Instead, please reply to: rlcm17 (at) hotmail(dot)com, as you
have in other respects. Now, my inquiry: I'm catching up w/ some posts that
went to this old address, many of which I thought had been lost. Did Judy
evidently provide you w/ a list of "classical" music w/ Jewish themes or
thematic material? If so and you still have it on line, could you forward it
to me at the address above (again, not the originating address of this reply)?
If you've printed it out and it's not on line anymore, would you be kind enough
to mail it to me, Robert Cohen, at 18 wiltshire road, brighton, ma 02135. Many
thanks. If you can and I can supplement (and I understand the question--just
new releases or anything extant?), I will.
--
On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:03:45 robert wiener wrote:
>Judy:
>
>Fascinating to read your posts as always. I guess I have my work cut
>out for me. (Garment industry phrase?) I'll see if I can do some of
>the research online at www.nypl.org
>
>I do have recordings with liner notes of Jewish related music by all
>the composers and in all the genres you mention except (unless I am
>mistaken) of the music of Clemens von Franckenstein (1875-1942). He
>doesn't show up on CD Now or in my most recent Schwann Opus (Winter
>1996/97) or on my "Juden in Deutschland" CD (because it is for
>1250-1750, perhaps also because he wasn't from Deutschland).
>
>Thanks for giving me an interesting homework assignment.
>
>Bob
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Judy Fertig <fertig (at) brandeis(dot)edu>
>To: World music from a Jewish slant. <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 10:50 AM
>Subject: Re: Cross-fertilization of Jewish and non-Jewish music
>
>
>>Bob:
>>For finding material on Jewish themes in classical music.....There
>are
>>books, dissertations and articles, yes.
>>
>>You can do some searching for this in a music bibliographic databases
>at
>>your local library... but here are some ideas of "classical music"
>>composers to start:
>>
>>Some of the obvious examples come to mind:
>>
>>Ravel, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Mahler and Dessau.
>>
>>Then you have examples such as Milhaud, Castelnuovo-Tedesco and
>Copland.
>>
>>There are several composers such as Shostakovich and Clemens von
>>Franckenstein (1875-1942) who used Jewish themes as a kind of musical
>>protest or resistence.
>>
>>We can also find articles on Jewish influence in troubadour music,
>organ
>>music, church music and so forth. It is not possible to list all the
>>sources here.
>>Judy
>>
>>
>>At 05:39 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Is there any material (e.g., books, articles, dissertations,
>>>discographies) on Jewish musical themes in classical music,
>especially
>>>the less obvious compositions? I do think that I saw something in
>the
>>>Jewish Theological Seminary collection of dissertations from the
>>>Cantorial School, but it was basically on the more obvious
>>>copositions, e.g., Bloch.
>>>
>>>I would also be especially interested in material on the use of
>>>non-Jewish themes, popular or classical, in Jewish liturgical music
>>>(besides the Aleinu tunes and Adon Olam settings to popular song).
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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