Re: Kol Isha

[TTova <TTova...>]

Not mean spirited..... perhaps just fiercely passionate.
not sure what would offend you in Trudi's POV
This is a such a struggle for many of us.
To have our mothers fight so hard to be treated with respect and  
equality and yet to have this sexist attitude prevail is scary.

I met a chassid in Paris who after learning what I did informed me he  
would get 200 yiddish speaking jews out to hear me sing...
I said " but of course you won't come yourself"?
he then smiled and said he would do whatever he felt like doing.... and  
if he wanted to hear a woman sing he would,
At Ashkenaz, my husband told me that at the back of the crowd of almost  
5000 there was a religious man with tsitses shucking and jiving to my  
Yiddish rendition of Los es Shnayen, Los es Shnayen, Los es Shnayen.
So I suppose as in most living traditions which must grow with the  
times there are no hard and fast rules?....


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On Jan 18, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Jordan Hirsch wrote:

> Ari,
> I think this is one of those mean spirited posts over which you were
> concerned.
> I am deeply offended that it made it to the list.
>
> Jordan
>
>
> Trudi Goodman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Here's the deal and here's the dance. As a woman performer I refuse to
>> abide by Kol Isha. I consider it a man-made law and not a G-d made
>> law. When people, particularly men, who have a vested interest in
>> wanting to keep women in their place religiously and culturally start
>> siting law to substantiate their views...well all I can say is there
>> isn't any reason why people should put up with it.
>>
>> If you can show me that HaShem doesn't want women to sing around men
>> and male children.  That HaShem has actually leaned into your ear and
>> told you that for an absolute fact...then I'll listen.
>>
>> Otherwise, it's just speculation.  And I refuse to believe that HaShem
>> would want half of society to not fulfill themselves creatively and
>> personally in any setting.  HaShem is all about love NOT
>> narrow-mindedness.
>>
>> I grew up around Orthodoxy and Chassidism...when there is a woman
>> rabbi and/or cantor in those reigious traditions then I'll actually
>> feel like I want to listen to this type of woman-hating. woman
>> adversation behavior masquerading as religious thought. And address
>> it!
>>
>> Hey if the men don' like the women's voices WHY DON'T THEY GET UP AND
>> LEAVE???
>>
>> Darned presumptious to think that a woman OUGHT to!
>>
>> Hey, there's a reason why some people, myself included stopped
>> addressing the Kol Isha issue on this list...it's not my experience
>> that this issue will be resolved. It hasn't been in the Jewish
>> community, specifically or at large.
>>
>> Shalom,
>>
>> Trudi Goodman
>>
>>
>>
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