Re: Kol Isha

[Eliezer Kaplan <zelwel...>]

All due respect, Jordan, but Trudi did express the feelings of many list
members, including a least one orthodox guy. I could go on regarding why I
agree with Trudy, but we've already been through all that.
                                EK


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shirona" <shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Kol Isha


>   Perhaps offended, Jordan - but did this "offense" cause you to lose
> parnasa?
>   -Shirona
>   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>   Singer, Songwriter and Teacher of Jewish Music
>      www.shirona.com
>      www.cdbaby.com/shirona
>   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Jordan Hirsch" <trombaedu (at) earthlink(dot)net>
>   To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>   Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:19 AM
>   Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>
>
>   > Ari,
>   > I think this is one of those mean spirited posts over which you were
>   > concerned.
>   > I am deeply offended that it made it to the list.
>   >
>   > Jordan
>   >
>   >
>   > Trudi Goodman wrote:
>   >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Here's the deal and here's the dance. As a woman performer I refuse
to
>   > > abide by Kol Isha. I consider it a man-made law and not a G-d made
>   > > law. When people, particularly men, who have a vested interest in
>   > > wanting to keep women in their place religiously and culturally
start
>   > > siting law to substantiate their views...well all I can say is there
>   > > isn't any reason why people should put up with it.
>   > >
>   > > If you can show me that HaShem doesn't want women to sing around men
>   > > and male children.  That HaShem has actually leaned into your ear
and
>   > > told you that for an absolute fact...then I'll listen.
>   > >
>   > > Otherwise, it's just speculation.  And I refuse to believe that
HaShem
>   > > would want half of society to not fulfill themselves creatively and
>   > > personally in any setting.  HaShem is all about love NOT
>   > > narrow-mindedness.
>   > >
>   > > I grew up around Orthodoxy and Chassidism...when there is a woman
>   > > rabbi and/or cantor in those reigious traditions then I'll actually
>   > > feel like I want to listen to this type of woman-hating. woman
>   > > adversation behavior masquerading as religious thought. And address
>   > > it!
>   > >
>   > > Hey if the men don' like the women's voices WHY DON'T THEY GET UP
AND
>   > > LEAVE???
>   > >
>   > > Darned presumptious to think that a woman OUGHT to!
>   > >
>   > > Hey, there's a reason why some people, myself included stopped
>   > > addressing the Kol Isha issue on this list...it's not my experience
>   > > that this issue will be resolved. It hasn't been in the Jewish
>   > > community, specifically or at large.
>   > >
>   > > Shalom,
>   > >
>   > > Trudi Goodman
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>   > > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.
>   > </html>
>   >
>
>
>
>

---------------------- jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org ---------------------+