Re: Kol Isha

[Jordan Hirsch <trombaedu...>]

It might be fun to recount the story that Eliezer and are are discussing. I
just got home from a gig, so I need a few minutes to find it,but I think
everyone would enjoy it, even if they don't agree with what I believe is it's
meaning.

JH

Eliezer Kaplan wrote:

> > But come to think of it, the Gemara discusses that specifically in the
> famous
> > story of "Tanur Shel Achnai."
>
> Yes, it does.
> But you also need to consider the fact that you're dealing with an issue
> (Kol Isha) which might have different implications in different times.
> 'Tanur shel achnai' was a one-time decision. Sometimes halachic issues can
> change over time. My favorite example- halachot of carrying on Shabbat as
> they are laid out in the talmud versus how we interpret them today. It seems
> to me that we've done lots of simplification because the complicated version
> is just to much stuff for the average ba'al habos to handle.
> Likewise here, possibly- maybe the siyagim on the siyagim need to come down
> a little.
> (required disclaimer: I'm really just stating my personal opinion on this
> and not claiming to be any sort of expert- just some schmoe on the internet.
> ;-)
>                                         EK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jordan Hirsch" <trombaedu (at) earthlink(dot)net>
> To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>
> > But come to think of it, the Gemara discusses that specifically in the
> famous
> > story of "Tanur Shel Achnai."
> >
> > JH
> >
> > Jordan Hirsch wrote:
> >
> > > That is also a good point. But that is not the issue. All i am asking
> for is a
> > > little more respect, and a little less probing of motives for its
> adherents.
> > >
> > > Jordan
> > >
> > > Eliezer Kaplan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jordan said:
> > > >
> > > > > Is Kol Isha a man made interpretation of Ervah? Perhaps, but no part
> of
> > > > > Halachic and Talmudic tradition ever claimed otherwise. In fact, the
> idea
> > > > of
> > > > > Rabbinic interpretation overriding Heavenly decrees is firmly
> entrenched
> > > > in
> > > > > Jewish tradition. one does not need the voice of God whispering in
> his or
> > > > her
> > > > > ear to decide what halacha requires.
> > > >
> > > > The rabbis are human- what if they make a horrible mistake? Is that
> beyond
> > > > imagining or considering?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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