Re: Kol Isha

[Shirona <shirona...>]

  Very sorry to hear about your father, Alex.

  You're right about perhaps spending too much energy in the wrong place...
but this is one (of two) of my "music communities" - where else do we get to
talk about these things (that really matter)?  This virtual community
replaces real meetings between people - where ideas were exchanged and
people had the opportunity to expand their consciousness by being exposed to
new ideas.  This is how change happens... and it's a slow process.  There
must be thousands of email communities like this one - with whatever topic
as their common denominator.  Ours is music - and this is where the "cross
pollination" of ideas occur. And I'll bet that the most heated debates in
most other virtual communities are about "change", and the "labor pains" new
ideas must suffer.  I actually (in case you didn't notice...;-) enjoy the
clash of ideas - with the unfolding of "predictable patterns" as to how the
change is handled by the community. The case of KI is no different... I
would argue that it's a "perfect specimen". I don't think we often get
instant gratification by witnessing someone actually "change their mind"
before our very eyes... it took 40 years in the desert and a new generation
to be born - for "slave consciousness" to be replaced...Why should things be
different now?

  You're still right though - for the most part all this "talk" won't amount
to a hill of beans. Good thing we can use a swift "delete" and go on to the
next email.

  Shirona
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Alex J. Lubet" <lubet001 (at) umn(dot)edu>
  To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Kol Isha


  > I would agree with you on persevering on this list and I do agree with
you on
  > kol isha, but there's a lot of precedent for my point.  A great deal of
(what
  > I and many of us regard as) headway has been made in some theological
regions
  > of Judaism, but little or none elsewhere and it's from those regions
that the
  > other side of the argument derives.  The energy and intellect might more
  > productively be expended elsewhere.  If you disagree, persevere here,
but I'd
  > love to see some evidence that even one mind has been changed in all the
years
  > this thread has lingered.
  >
  > BTW, we buried my dad on Thursday and half the pallbearers were female.
I'm
  > no expert on such matters, but I've never seen that before.  He'd have
been
  > delighted.  As lay rabbi for the service (his wish), I certainly was.
  >
  > Shirona wrote:
  >
  > >   Alex wrote:
  > >
  > >    It's rare
  > >   > that anything people have such strong views about every results in
  > > anyone
  > >   > being persuaded, especially when it's a matter of theology.  If
we're
  > > going
  > >   > to continue this discussion, I'd like to know why we should.
  > >
  > >   Because if we don't change our mind on theological matters - how
will we
  > > ever progress?  Precisely the reason why we should continue these
  > > discussions, get over being stubborn and self-righteous, bring forth
good
  > > arguments with respect, tact, knowledge and my own personal favorite -
  > > original thoughts.
  > >
  > >   Shirona
  > >
  >
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