Re: Kol Isha

[Alex J. Lubet <lubet001...>]

I respectfully disagree.  I don't think it's mean-spirited and I do think
it's articulate.  However, I think we've beaten this to death.  It's rare
that anything people have such strong views about every results in anyone
being persuaded, especially when it's a matter of theology.  If we're going
to continue this discussion, I'd like to know why we should.



Jordan Hirsch wrote:

> Ari,
> I think this is one of those mean spirited posts over which you were
> concerned.
> I am deeply offended that it made it to the list.
>
> Jordan
>
> Trudi Goodman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Here's the deal and here's the dance. As a woman performer I refuse to
> > abide by Kol Isha. I consider it a man-made law and not a G-d made
> > law. When people, particularly men, who have a vested interest in
> > wanting to keep women in their place religiously and culturally start
> > siting law to substantiate their views...well all I can say is there
> > isn't any reason why people should put up with it.
> >
> > If you can show me that HaShem doesn't want women to sing around men
> > and male children.  That HaShem has actually leaned into your ear and
> > told you that for an absolute fact...then I'll listen.
> >
> > Otherwise, it's just speculation.  And I refuse to believe that HaShem
> > would want half of society to not fulfill themselves creatively and
> > personally in any setting.  HaShem is all about love NOT
> > narrow-mindedness.
> >
> > I grew up around Orthodoxy and Chassidism...when there is a woman
> > rabbi and/or cantor in those reigious traditions then I'll actually
> > feel like I want to listen to this type of woman-hating. woman
> > adversation behavior masquerading as religious thought. And address
> > it!
> >
> > Hey if the men don' like the women's voices WHY DON'T THEY GET UP AND
> > LEAVE???
> >
> > Darned presumptious to think that a woman OUGHT to!
> >
> > Hey, there's a reason why some people, myself included stopped
> > addressing the Kol Isha issue on this list...it's not my experience
> > that this issue will be resolved. It hasn't been in the Jewish
> > community, specifically or at large.
> >
> > Shalom,
> >
> > Trudi Goodman
> >
> >
> >
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