Re: kol isha in action

[avi finegold <afinegold...>]

--- Bob Wiener <wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com> wrote:
> Lor (at) Max
> 
> It seems to me that if a meal is part of the even,
> especially if the simcha involves a seudat mitzvah
> ("mitzvah meal") the early departure solution
> typically creates the following problem:
> Presence through the birkat hamazon ("grace after
> meals") (including, for example, sheva brachot --
> special additional blessings for a wedding) is a
> basic part of the simcha/mitzvah.
> 
> Bob
> 

interesting point....though usually at that point
there is no singing/dancing and the people who might
be offended are able to return...

> BTW, Avi, my third suggestion was made in an effort
> to achieve respectful conciliation and not as a joke
> to be laughed at.
>


ok i take it back
i just thought the notion of a walkman like that was a
bit much....

avi

 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MaxwellSt (at) aol(dot)com 
>   To: World music from a Jewish slant 
>   Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:15 AM
>   Subject: Re: kol isha in action
> 
> 
>   In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:07:21 AM Central
> Standard Time, lkoenick (at) erols(dot)com writes:
> 
> 
>     Why is there "uncomfortness" more important that
> the uncomfortness of those
>     who oppose it or are subjected to the
> discrimination?
> 
> 
> 
>   This is a discussion that comes up annually--maybe
> it would be good to archive it for the benefit of
> those who want to see past discussions.
> 
>   I submit--as a woman who was not raised in an
> Orthodox home or with those sensibilities--that it
> is no more discriminatory to respect Kol Isha at a
> mixed gathering than to serve kosher food.  Unless
> we wish to drive out all the Jews who observe
> halacha from our simchas, we can't put out a large
> Unwelcome mat in the form of violations of the law. 
> 
>   A workable solution, I think, is to observe Kol
> Isha for the first 2 hours of the simcha, and then
> to permit it (and mixed dancing)--telling the frum
> guests in advance that this will be the format.  The
> frum guests will have a chance to eat and fulfill
> their mitzvah of dancing at the simcha before
> leaving, and the non-Orthodox will have their wishes
> respected in the latter half.  This is the way we do
> most of our "mixed" simchas.
>   Lori (at) Max 
> 


=====
the whole world is a narrow bridge
     and the main thing is to have no fear  -rabbi nachman
the numerical equation of ahavah in hebrew is 13(a prime number)
     be'ahava is 2(bet) x 13
     when two complete and unbreakable (prime) loves come together in 
love(be'ahava), you have 26
     this shows that god (equivalent to 26) enters into a relationship only if 
there is a complete unbreakable selflessness to the other    -avi finegold 
and one one hand he tattooed the word love/and on the other the word fear   
-bruce springsteen

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