Re: Kol Isha

[Jordan Hirsch <trombaedu...>]

Good point. I am not against people discussing the issues raised by observance
or lack of observance of the Halacha of kol Isha.I object to the flippant tone
used in Trudi's post. Every time an issue like this comes up, people weigh in
on either side of the issue, as they should. But the minute it is pointed out
that some people take halachic mandates seriously, even if they do not match
their oen personal bias, there are too many people on this list who discount
bringing halachic observance into the discussion.
Is Kol Isha a man made interpretation of Ervah? Perhaps, but no part of
Halachic and Talmudic tradition ever claimed otherwise. In fact, the idea of
Rabbinic interpretation overriding Heavenly decrees is firmly entrenched in
Jewish tradition. one does not need the voice of God whispering in his or her
ear to decide what halacha requires.
I have no problem with anyone saying that halacha need not be interpreted in
the more restrictive fashion some choose. I have no problem with anyone saying
that they are personally uncomfortable with obsserving any or all halachot. I
draw the line when I am told that short of divine decree, halacha has no place
in the discussion if it infringes on someone's individual rights. It is not a
principal of Torah based Judaism that everyone's rights and biases are
protected and observed. Narrow mindedness is not necessarily a good thing, but
being part of a religious-social-nationalist group does sometimes cause one to
narrow their horizons. It is immature thinking and unrealistic to expect
otherwise.

jordan


Shirona wrote:

>   Perhaps offended, Jordan - but did this "offense" cause you to lose
> parnasa?
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Jordan Hirsch" <trombaedu (at) earthlink(dot)net>
>   To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>   Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:19 AM
>   Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>
>   > Ari,
>   > I think this is one of those mean spirited posts over which you were
>   > concerned.
>   > I am deeply offended that it made it to the list.
>   >
>   > Jordan
>   >
>   >
>   > Trudi Goodman wrote:
>   >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Here's the deal and here's the dance. As a woman performer I refuse to
>   > > abide by Kol Isha. I consider it a man-made law and not a G-d made
>   > > law. When people, particularly men, who have a vested interest in
>   > > wanting to keep women in their place religiously and culturally start
>   > > siting law to substantiate their views...well all I can say is there
>   > > isn't any reason why people should put up with it.
>   > >
>   > > If you can show me that HaShem doesn't want women to sing around men
>   > > and male children.  That HaShem has actually leaned into your ear and
>   > > told you that for an absolute fact...then I'll listen.
>   > >
>   > > Otherwise, it's just speculation.  And I refuse to believe that HaShem
>   > > would want half of society to not fulfill themselves creatively and
>   > > personally in any setting.  HaShem is all about love NOT
>   > > narrow-mindedness.
>   > >
>   > > I grew up around Orthodoxy and Chassidism...when there is a woman
>   > > rabbi and/or cantor in those reigious traditions then I'll actually
>   > > feel like I want to listen to this type of woman-hating. woman
>   > > adversation behavior masquerading as religious thought. And address
>   > > it!
>   > >
>   > > Hey if the men don' like the women's voices WHY DON'T THEY GET UP AND
>   > > LEAVE???
>   > >
>   > > Darned presumptious to think that a woman OUGHT to!
>   > >
>   > > Hey, there's a reason why some people, myself included stopped
>   > > addressing the Kol Isha issue on this list...it's not my experience
>   > > that this issue will be resolved. It hasn't been in the Jewish
>   > > community, specifically or at large.
>   > >
>   > > Shalom,
>   > >
>   > > Trudi Goodman
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
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