Re: dead (wild) horses couldn't stop ...

[Shirona <shirona...>]

  Well Sam... the best thing that came out of the first (for me) KI round -
(gosh is it three years ago?) was meeting YOU!

  ;-)
  Shirona
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  Singer, Songwriter and Teacher of Jewish Music
     www.shirona.com
     www.cdbaby.com/shirona
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Sam Weiss" <SamWeiss (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
  To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:05 PM
  Subject: Re: dead (wild) horses couldn't stop ...


  > At 12:19 AM 1/21/04, Judith R Cohen wrote:
  > Quoting Simon:
  > >> > This is a Jewish MUSIC list for anyone who has an interest in the
  > >> > music.
  >
  > >um.... aren't Jewish women singing part of Jewish music?
  > >whether or not men listen to them?
  >
  > I'm finally joining the fray this time around, since Judith's question
  > points to exactly why I have not done so earlier.  I agree with Simon
here,
  > and would say that "Jewish music" is a thin figleaf over the volatile
  > subject of Kol Isha which, as it inevitably gets treated on this list,
is
  > essentially a discussion of Jewish cultural history, Jewish religion
  > (principally Orthodox-bashing), communal politics, gender politics,
labor
  > practices, etc.  It is always a case of the tail (in subject matter as
well
  > as level of discourse) wagging the horse of Jewish music.  This is borne
  > out by the "Unsubscribe" requests that usually follow the onslaught.
The
  > current iteration was initiated by my friend Shirona's gratuitous
titling
  > of a forwarded article "Afghan Pop Singer Breaks Tv Taboo" as "Kol
(Isha)
  > Afghanistan."   Given our listserve's history, this titling had the
  > intended effect of exhuming prior discussions on Jewish cultural
history,
  > Jewish religion, communal politics, gender politics and labor practices.
I
  > don't recall any advancement of our knowledge of Afghani or Jewish music
on
  > this thread.  Shirona claims that her goal was expanding our
consciousness,
  > but I would respectfully submit that her goal was to expand our
  > consciousness in one particular direction; otherwise, the only thing
that
  > was expanded was our blood-pressure.  She also writes that "some of us
on
  > this list can be in a position to make a decision that would result in
  > women singing or not singing at some future event."  This is indeed a
  > worthwhile goal, and I'm eager to hear if anyone on this list feels that
  > our discussions have or will have that effect.  I understand the need to
  > vent frustrations, and believe me I empathize entirely with the cause --
I
  > deal constantly with gender politics disguised as Jewish tradition in my
  > line of work and in my particular congregation.  But I question if our
  > discussions on =this= list will have the desired effect.
  >
  >
  >
  > _____________________________________________________________
  > Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of Paramus, NJ
  >
  >
  >
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