Re: mitzvot music

[Susan Lerner <meydele...>]

It seems as if the experience of those responding to this thread is somewhat 
out of the mainstream, or else it's a question of labels, rather than substance.

Take a look at The Everything Jewish Wedding Book, published in 1998, a mass 
market paperback.   Chapter 5 is entitled "Traditions to Honor and Cherish" and 
under the heading The Wedding Service, subheading The Wedding Vows and the Ring 
identify the following as the wedding vows in Hebrew and English (I'll just 
type in the English): Behold, thou art consecrated unto me with this ring 
according to the law of Moses and of Israel.  Now, I'm not suggesting that this 
book is authoritative, but rather indicative.

I have seen all sorts of vows at both Reform and Conservative weddings.  Some 
the couple writes, some the rabbi provides.

There is no question that Protestant Christian practice has had a tremendous 
effect on American Jewish religious ceremonies.  I don't think we need to go 
further than that on this list.

Shira Lerner
YiddishkaytLA

At 12:00 PM 7/16/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, that seems a bit scanty evidence to make sucha 
>claim. There's nothing anti-jewish about vows
>(although Jews are discouraged from making them
>because they're so serious, a wedding would certainly
>be an appropriate place for them) they're just not 
>part of the wedding ceremony, so I would have trouble
>figuring out how you would know how to program music
>for them, since I suppose they could be inserted just
>about anywhere, and take any amount of time.
>
>Alana
>
>--- Jeremy A Schiffer <schiffer (at) columbia(dot)edu> wrote:
>> 
>> i was at a wedding recently between two graduate
>> students from HUC (one
>> pre-rabbi, the other jewish community
>> service/education), where they
>> wrote their own vows and said them while the cantor
>> played on a harp.
>> 
>> so, yes. though i suppose now someone is going to
>> claim that reform
>> practitioners aren't real jews...
>> 
>> also, i've been to one intermarriage ceremony where
>> they had vows, but no
>> music at that point.
>> 
>> and a catholic wedding (at which i was the
>> photographer) where they sang
>> "sunrise, sunset" during the ceremony. it was a
>> struggle to keep from
>> laughing when the line "under the canopy" went by.
>> 
>> -jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Ms. Cat wrote:
>> 
>> > I've never been to any Jewish weddings that have
>> them
>> > (unless maybe you mean an intermarriage?). Have
>> you.
>> > (Real question. not facetious.)
>> >
>> > Alana
>> >
>> > --- Eliezer Kaplan <zelwel (at) attbi(dot)com> wrote:
>> > > TRADITIONAL Jewish weddings don't have those.
>> > >                                                
>> ek
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Ms. Cat" <alanamscat (at) yahoo(dot)com>
>> > > To: "World music from a Jewish slant"
>> > > <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:51 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: mitzvot music
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --- Jeremy A Schiffer <schiffer (at) columbia(dot)edu>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > What are "the vows" ?!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The wedding vows. "Do you promise to honor,
>> > > cherish
>> > > > > ... as long as you
>> > > > > both shall live."
>> > > >
>> > > > Um - Jewish weddings don't have these.
>> > > >
>> > > > Alana
>> > >
>> >
>
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