Re: Kol Isha

[Eliezer Kaplan <zelwel...>]

But I always thought one of the beautiful things about Judaism is the
presence of wonderful female role models from day one (starting in the bible
with Sarah) that were the true voice of conscience in their households?????


----- Original Message -----
From: "shirona" <shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kol Isha


> Dear Winston,
>
> OK - I will answer your question - whether I will attend an all-woman
event
> where men were excluded.
>
> If I were living in a Female Dominant society, where for the past few
> thousand years the reality was as follows -
>
> *Men were bought and sold for money
> *Men had no political, economical of social rights
> *Men had to share a household with other men, married to one woman
> *Men had to do all the menial jobs
> *Men had to "obey" their wives
> *Men had to walk three steps behind their wives
> *Men were made to bare responsibility for women's weaknesses - "shave your
> hair off - your hair is a turn-on!  Don't sing, your singing is a
turn-on!"
> and so on...
>
> If I were living in such a society, knowing my moral core as it is now - I
> would be too SICK to attend such an event.
>
> I hope I answered your question.
>
> Shirona
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WINSTON WEILHEIMER" <nusach (at) hotmail(dot)com>
> To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>
>
> > shirona wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We need to get to the root of this "pathology".  Why are we wasting
so
> =
> > > > much time and energy on  minutiae? How much longer can this dialogue
=
> > > > continue poking around the surface?   It's like trying to heal
Cancer
> =
> > > > with band-aids.  If we don't understand why this problem is so tough
> to
> > >=
> > > > resolve, - we will never heal.  It will never just "go away".
> > > >
> > > > I asked this question before - but no one answered me yet. (except
for
> a
> > >=
> > > > "diss" from Eric...)=20
> > > >
> > > > There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my
knowledge.
> =
> > > > Is it OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind
> both
> > >=
> > > > sexes, and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it
> is
> > >=
> > > > that simple, and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the
> core
> > >=
> > > > issue - then what is?
> > > >
> > > >
> > ************************************************************
> > Shirona, first, you know where i stand on the issue....and being one
that
> > demanded a yes or no answer, I do have to say that on this question it
is
> > not quite that simple.  I think that one must look at the issue from two
> > different worlds, one inside the orthodox community and the other from
> > without.  As I posted earlier, if you are willing to attend functions
> within
> > the orthodox community, you do have to have a respect for their
feelings.
> I
> > don't think you would try to sit with the men at an orthodox minyan.
You
> > could try to make the point, but why do so?  However the issue of kol
issa
> > when it comes to public appearances for a concert or non religious
event,
> or
> > even on cd's or my radio show i think it is a different matter.  What
care
> > you if an orthodox man refuses to come to hear you (except perhaps loss
of
> > revenue and his chance to hear your beautiful voice...i am a fan!).
that
> is
> > his loss after all.  Yes Kol Isha issue is anti woman...(like how the
> > orthodox always turn it around to say it is really to protect the
> > men?...they do this with a lot of other things as well), but really
within
> > their own community they have the right to live in the 18th century if
> they
> > want, and if they can convince their women to accept it, that is also
> their
> > perogotive....our task is to be true to ourselves and to do what we
think
> is
> > right.  Just as we demand that the orthodox do not impose on us the way
> they
> > THINK we should live and act, we can not impose on them how we think
they
> > should either.
> >
> >
> > btw...you never answered my yes or no...would you refuse to attend an
all
> > woman event that did not allow men?
> >
> > winston
> >
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