Re: Kol Isha

[WINSTON WEILHEIMER <nusach...>]

sorry for keeping the prior posting long, but it is important to my comment:
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>From: Alex Lubet <lubet001 (at) umn(dot)edu>
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:24:54 -0600
>
>>>From: "shirona" <shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
>>>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>>>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>>>Subject: Re: Kol Isha
>>>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:49:16 -0800
>>>
>>>Dear Winston,
>>>
>>>OK - I will answer your question - whether I will attend an all-woman 
>>>event
>>>where men were excluded.
>>>
>>>If I were living in a Female Dominant society, where for the past few
>>>thousand years the reality was as follows -
>>>
>>>*Men were bought and sold for money
>>>*Men had no political, economical of social rights
>>>*Men had to share a household with other men, married to one woman
>>>*Men had to do all the menial jobs
>>>*Men had to "obey" their wives
>>>*Men had to walk three steps behind their wives
>>>*Men were made to bare responsibility for women's weaknesses - "shave 
>>>your
>>>hair off - your hair is a turn-on!  Don't sing, your singing is a 
>>>turn-on!"
>>>and so on...
>>>
>>>If I were living in such a society, knowing my moral core as it is now - 
>>>I
>>>would be too SICK to attend such an event.
>>>
>>>I hope I answered your question.
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>>Your answer reminds me of affirmative action.  the issue with
>>preferential treatment of non whites because they were suppressed in
>>the past.  I did not own slaves and i did not do any of the things
>>you discribe above. so therefore,
>>
>>no it does not answer the question. unfortunately you are doing
>>exactly what you critisize jordon for.  You have taken the question,
>>made it into something nebulous and avoided the direct answer.
>>
>We're talking about events here, not systematic exclusion.  There are
>still times and places where women or men might gather separately to
>their benefit without injuring those excluded.  Shuls have
>sisterhoods and brotherhoods.  Schools have men's and women's sports.
>
>As for affirmative action, those classes of people who have suffered
>discrimination continue to suffer discrimination and certain classes,
>as innocent as certain individuals might be of prejudicial deeds,
>still reap the benefits of the privileges of their class.  Slavery
>might have ended in the 19th century, but legal apartheid existed in
>the US until quite recently and its effects are still being felt.  We
>approve of reparations for Shoah survivors and their families and
>even the Jewish people as a body, don't we?  Not everyone who pays
>them inflicted the hurts.  That's not to say that Affirmative Action
>is a perfect system.  For one thing, it doesn't seem to be working.
>Alan Dershowitz has some interesting things to say about it in
>Chutzpah.
>
>--
>Alex Lubet, Ph. D.
>Morse Alumni Distinguished Teaching Professor of Music
>Adjunct Professor of American Studies
>University of Minnesota
>100 Ferguson Hall
>Minneapolis, MN 55455
>612 624-7840 (o)
>612 699-1097 (h)
>612 624-8001  ATTN:  Alex Lubet (FAX)
>
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how come everyone (with one exception) wants to give a long disertation 
which begs the question, and not answer the question even indirectly?

winston
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