Re: information about the term feygele

[Sylvia Schildt <creativa...>]

Trudi, 

It's Manger, again.


It has other symbolism as well - very elusive and not as simple as this
equals that. In the Manger poem it is an ineffable goal that the poet is
seeking, searching in all directions.


Sylvia Schildt
Baltimore, Maryland



.on 12/27/03 4:11 PM, Trudi Goodman at goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com wrote:

The goldene pavene(the golden peacock) symbolizes prosperity. It is also a
symbol of Jewish flight into the diaspora. The is a wonderful old poem
called Der Goldene Pavene. I forget who wrote it....maybe Wincevsky???

As for the term faygele. It means song bird.

It of course is also corrupted ahemmmm in the theatre to mean a gay male.
Usually a chorus boy.

Trudi Goodman 




>From: linda 
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant
>Subject: Re: information about the term feygele
>Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:50 -0700
> 
>on 12/25/03 12:21 PM, Robert A. Rothstein at rar (at) slavic(dot)umass(dot)edu 
>wrote:
> 
>Batya wrote: 
>1) What is the source of the song "Zing, feygele, zing"?
>It's a Yiddish version (apparently by Max Kletter) of the Russian song "Poi,
>lastochka, poi" (Sing, Swallow, Sing), first published in Moscow in 1905
>with words by K. Linskii and music by Sadovskii.
>3) I've heard that "goldene pave" symbolizes Jewish folklore. Is this true,
>and if so, why? What's the source?
>Short answer (from Chane Mlotek in her _Mir trogn a gezang_, p. 106): "The
>golden peacock became the poetic symbol of the Yiddish folk song, carrying
>messages and greetings from loved ones.  The theme was adopted by such
>modern Yiddish writers as M. L. Halpern, Itsik Manger and others."  (The
>others include Anna Margolin, whose text was recorded, e.g., by Chava
>Alberstein and The Klezmatics.)  The comments are in connection with a folk
>song called "Di goldene pave," which is about a young bride sending a
>message to her parents about being mistreated by her new in-laws.  The song
>was first published in Ginzburg and Marek's 1901 collection, _Evreiskie
>narodnye pesni v Rossii_ (Jewish Folksongs in Russia).  Despite what you may
>read on various websites, the collection was not called _Di goldene pave_.
> 
>Bob Rothstein 
> 
> 
>I remember my grandmother singing  "Poi, lastochka, poi"  in the 1940's.
>She also sang the  following words to the same melody:
> 
>Oi vill ich a "boy"
>Oi vill ich a "boy"
>Er ken zayn a griner
>Abi a fardiner 
>Oi vill ich a "boy"
> 
>Thanks for reminding me. I brings back great memories.
> 
>Linda 
> 
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