RE: Kol Isha

[Katie Marcus <kmarcus...>]

Hey Shirona, don't knock Tzniut.  Some of us cover our hair to take pride 
in a rite of passage that Jewish women have throughout the ages.

I admit, I don't wear the full tichel (mostly because I can't figure out 
how to make one) :), but I do wear a hat, and I see this as a very very 
feminist thing to do.  Men get kippot, tallis, tefillin, all these garments 
that can proclaim their ethnicity to the world- how come women can't do the 
same?




-----Original Message-----
From:   shirona [SMTP:shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net]
Sent:   Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:49 PM
To:     World music from a Jewish slant
Subject:        Re: Kol Isha

Dear Winston,

OK - I will answer your question - whether I will attend an all-woman event
where men were excluded.

If I were living in a Female Dominant society, where for the past few
thousand years the reality was as follows -

*Men were bought and sold for money
*Men had no political, economical of social rights
*Men had to share a household with other men, married to one woman
*Men had to do all the menial jobs
*Men had to "obey" their wives
*Men had to walk three steps behind their wives
*Men were made to bare responsibility for women's weaknesses - "shave your
hair off - your hair is a turn-on!  Don't sing, your singing is a turn-on!"
and so on...

If I were living in such a society, knowing my moral core as it is now - I
would be too SICK to attend such an event.

I hope I answered your question.

Shirona


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----- Original Message -----
From: "WINSTON WEILHEIMER" <nusach (at) hotmail(dot)com>
To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kol Isha


> shirona wrote:
> > >
> > > We need to get to the root of this "pathology".  Why are we wasting 
so
=
> > > much time and energy on  minutiae? How much longer can this dialogue 
=
> > > continue poking around the surface?   It's like trying to heal Cancer
=
> > > with band-aids.  If we don't understand why this problem is so tough
to
> >=
> > > resolve, - we will never heal.  It will never just "go away".
> > >
> > > I asked this question before - but no one answered me yet. (except 
for
a
> >=
> > > "diss" from Eric...)=20
> > >
> > > There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my knowledge.
=
> > > Is it OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind
both
> >=
> > > sexes, and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it
is
> >=
> > > that simple, and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the
core
> >=
> > > issue - then what is?
> > >
> > >
> ************************************************************
> Shirona, first, you know where i stand on the issue....and being one that
> demanded a yes or no answer, I do have to say that on this question it is
> not quite that simple.  I think that one must look at the issue from two
> different worlds, one inside the orthodox community and the other from
> without.  As I posted earlier, if you are willing to attend functions
within
> the orthodox community, you do have to have a respect for their feelings.
I
> don't think you would try to sit with the men at an orthodox minyan.  You
> could try to make the point, but why do so?  However the issue of kol 
issa
> when it comes to public appearances for a concert or non religious event,
or
> even on cd's or my radio show i think it is a different matter.  What 
care
> you if an orthodox man refuses to come to hear you (except perhaps loss 
of
> revenue and his chance to hear your beautiful voice...i am a fan!).  that
is
> his loss after all.  Yes Kol Isha issue is anti woman...(like how the
> orthodox always turn it around to say it is really to protect the
> men?...they do this with a lot of other things as well), but really 
within
> their own community they have the right to live in the 18th century if
they
> want, and if they can convince their women to accept it, that is also
their
> perogotive....our task is to be true to ourselves and to do what we think
is
> right.  Just as we demand that the orthodox do not impose on us the way
they
> THINK we should live and act, we can not impose on them how we think they
> should either.
>
>
> btw...you never answered my yes or no...would you refuse to attend an all
> woman event that did not allow men?
>
> winston
>
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