RE: Jewish music performance series/take1

[Trudi Goodman <goobietheg...>]

to Reyzl:
what's good for women is good for the world.  unless jewish men don't wnat 
us to have children anymore? hunh guys?
gut Shabbos and Zei gezunt! un a gute yor!
Trudi the G

>From: Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky <reyzl (at) flash(dot)net>
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: RE: Jewish music performance series/take1
>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:49:22 -0400
>
>The fact is that if someone goes through a halakhic conversion, the
>Orthodox are the ones who accept converts as legitimate Jews.  It's the
>Conservative, Reform and generally untrained traditionalist who still hold
>converts as not quite legitimate Jews.
>
> >I have certainly taken my lumps as  a Jew , a performer and a woman too.
>So
>I definitely want to see more venues for Women Performers---being one. But
> >here's where the mixed comes in---I cannot force anyone to like or want
>me.
>
>There is nothing personal about the ruling of kol-isha.  It's any woman's
>voice, no matter how well or badly she sings.
>
> >At the same time...if we as Jews do not challenge this stuff, nothing
>
>At a girl!!!  We have to fight this and never participate in anything
>that includes this rule.  I send my kids to Orthodox yeshiva, but I
>will never go into a shul that has a mekhitsa.
>
>If you tell men that women's singing voices are sexy and will veer
>them off the straight and narrow path, then it can work that way by
>the mere power of suggestion.  Too bad for them.
>
>
>Gut shabes and gut yontev,
>
>Reyzl
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>From:  Trudi Goodman [SMTP:goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com]
>Sent:  Friday, September 24, 1999 9:32 AM
>To:  World music from a Jewish slant
>Subject:  Re: Jewish music performance series/take1
>
>
>this pisses me off, but I am of a mixed mind about it...as a woman, I feel
>that the orthodoxy needs to open up it's brain cells and rachmones and
>tzedakah to include women and others that it doesn't normally include.  My
>great grandfather was adopted, and some in orthodoxy do not consider him a
>"legitimate" Jew, even though he lived his whole live as a Jew..and took
>his
>lumps as one.
>I have certainly taken my lumps as  a Jew , a performer and a woman too. So
>I definitely want to see more venues for Women Performers---being one. But
>here's where the mixed comes in---I cannot force anyone to like or want me.
>At the same time...if we as Jews do not challenge this stuff, nothing
>changes.
>If the whole rest of the world sees me as A Jew and a Woman and I am often
>penalized for this, unfortunately..though it NEVER stops me from
>being Jewish.  Isn't it time for the Jewish community to?
>Turdi the G
> >From: Halsherm3 (at) aol(dot)com
> >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Jewish music performance series
> >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:43:55 EDT
> >
> >In a message dated 9/23/99 2:53:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU
> >writes:
> >
> ><< The one major drawback--and I believe it's a big one--is that I cannot
> >at
> >  this time invite solo women singers. Women instrumentalists are okay,
>but
> >  in the Orthodox tradition, women vocalists are not. I'm not sure about
> >  mixed choirs. These are not my personal beliefs, so I apologize to all
> >the
> >  female singers for this lack of opportunity. There's simply nothing I
>can
> >  do about it. >>
> >
> >
> >I found this statement to be so completely offensive. Substitute the word
> >jewish for the word female and read it again. How do you feel?
> >
> >The reaction I had to this was purely from my gut. I realize that it
>wasn't
> >meant to
> >be offensive but it was all the same (IMHO).
> >
> >How do others feel?  Lynn
> >
> >
>
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