RE: Jewish music performance series/take1

[Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky <reyzl...>]

The fact is that if someone goes through a halakhic conversion, the 
Orthodox are the ones who accept converts as legitimate Jews.  It's the 
Conservative, Reform and generally untrained traditionalist who still hold 
converts as not quite legitimate Jews.

>I have certainly taken my lumps as  a Jew , a performer and a woman too. 
So
I definitely want to see more venues for Women Performers---being one. But
>here's where the mixed comes in---I cannot force anyone to like or want 
me.

There is nothing personal about the ruling of kol-isha.  It's any woman's
voice, no matter how well or badly she sings.

>At the same time...if we as Jews do not challenge this stuff, nothing

At a girl!!!  We have to fight this and never participate in anything
that includes this rule.  I send my kids to Orthodox yeshiva, but I
will never go into a shul that has a mekhitsa.

If you tell men that women's singing voices are sexy and will veer
them off the straight and narrow path, then it can work that way by
the mere power of suggestion.  Too bad for them.


Gut shabes and gut yontev,

Reyzl






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From:  Trudi Goodman [SMTP:goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com]
Sent:  Friday, September 24, 1999 9:32 AM
To:  World music from a Jewish slant
Subject:  Re: Jewish music performance series/take1


this pisses me off, but I am of a mixed mind about it...as a woman, I feel
that the orthodoxy needs to open up it's brain cells and rachmones and
tzedakah to include women and others that it doesn't normally include.  My
great grandfather was adopted, and some in orthodoxy do not consider him a
"legitimate" Jew, even though he lived his whole live as a Jew..and took 
his
lumps as one.
I have certainly taken my lumps as  a Jew , a performer and a woman too. So 
I definitely want to see more venues for Women Performers---being one. But
here's where the mixed comes in---I cannot force anyone to like or want me.
At the same time...if we as Jews do not challenge this stuff, nothing
changes.
If the whole rest of the world sees me as A Jew and a Woman and I am often
penalized for this, unfortunately..though it NEVER stops me from
being Jewish.  Isn't it time for the Jewish community to?
Turdi the G
>From: Halsherm3 (at) aol(dot)com
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Jewish music performance series
>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:43:55 EDT
>
>In a message dated 9/23/99 2:53:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>elkahn (at) JTSA(dot)EDU
>writes:
>
><< The one major drawback--and I believe it's a big one--is that I cannot
>at
>  this time invite solo women singers. Women instrumentalists are okay, 
but
>  in the Orthodox tradition, women vocalists are not. I'm not sure about
>  mixed choirs. These are not my personal beliefs, so I apologize to all
>the
>  female singers for this lack of opportunity. There's simply nothing I 
can
>  do about it. >>
>
>
>I found this statement to be so completely offensive. Substitute the word
>jewish for the word female and read it again. How do you feel?
>
>The reaction I had to this was purely from my gut. I realize that it 
wasn't
>meant to
>be offensive but it was all the same (IMHO).
>
>How do others feel?  Lynn
>
>

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