Re: Kol Isha - Just the Facts, please!

[Lori M Simon <lorelecs...>]

Last time we had this discussion, I believe it was impelled by my
frustration at having been cancelled from a public job because some
Orthodox rabbis were expected to be there.  Additionally, I have had
calls to book a band for weddings, bar mitsves, that I could not work
because they didn't want a female vocalist, so I called other friends to
play the job.  Why they called me in the first place, I don't know, but
there you are.  I have friends who are willing to have me sing with them,
indeed, they recommend it to the clients, but they rarely take them up on
it because they don't want a female vocalist.
Lorele

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:28:07 -0500 Jordan Hirsch
<trombaedu (at) earthlink(dot)net> writes:
> There is a whole other element to this discussion. What about the 
> wedding
> gigs? If a band that works for Jewish clients from unaffiliated to
> Chasidic does 375 gigs a year in the NY wedding and circuit, how do 
> we
> count the gigs where the idea of hiring a female singer to perform 
> would
> not even be discussed? And would those people be wrong for not doing 
> so?
> To me, the issue is not so much a question of the right of women to
> perform in general, but rather the right of concert promoters to 
> book
> whichever bands they want, and let those who do not want to listen 
> not
> come. And for the performers, to have contracts and commitments 
> honored,
> and to work out issues before a performer has been engaged.
> 
> Jordan
> 
> Alex Jacobowitz wrote:
> 
> > --- Sam Weiss <SamWeiss (at) bellatlantic(dot)net> wrote:
> > > At 01:49 AM 1/23/04, Yoel Epstein wrote:
> > > >Perhaps some of you would like to compile a list of
> > > specific gigs that
> > > >were
> > > >refused or cancelled because a female singer
> > > participated in the
> > > >band.  Then
> > > >we might have a starting point for actually doing
> > > something about this.
> > >
> > > Such a list would not even scratch the surface,
> > > since the assumption of Kol
> > > Isha very often precludes female soloists and bands
> > > with a female singer
> > > from even being considered at all.
> >
> > Au contraire, it WOULD scratch the surface -
> > at least insofar as this list is concerned.
> > As in other political opinions, there would
> > most likely be "right", "centrist" and "left"
> > versions of KI - and its implementation. If
> > any gig were to be refused or cancelled for
> > KI reasons, it would be most illustrative to
> > see whether the sponsors give that as the
> > reason, or whether they hide behind some kind
> > of subterfuge. And since on this list
> > we´ve only heard from the femails in this case, I
> > wouldn´t mind hearing the other side´s view - those
> > who are involved in the decision-making process.
> >
> > Bring it on!
> >
> > Alex
> >
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