Re: What is Jewish Music - the Metaquestion

[glenn tamir <klezska...>]

I don't mean to throw another log on the fire but what
do you mean by "Israeli Music Ick?"  Are you refering
to music created by Israelis?  or an "Israeli Musical
Style" (which is hard or impossible to define).

There is some wonderful music coming out of Israel
now, (David Broza, Sheva, Eyal Sela, etc..)

If you mean Poogy I agree...

--- George Robinson <GRComm (at) concentric(dot)net> wrote:
> I'm in basic agreement with Cantor Weiss on this
> one. Would you  want to
> be restricted to Israeli music? Ick.
> 
> One good thing that came out of the last thread was
> that I realized that
> someone -- don't remember who -- suggested that I
> was taking space away
> from people making good "Jewish music" when I review
> stuff like Fred
> Hersh playing Thelonious was essentially correct. I
> still review jazz in
> the column -- and I review people like Lee Konitz
> and Jane Ira Bloom (to
> pick two from my next column) who are not
> necessarily making "Jewish"
> music per se, but I try to focus more on people who
> don't get exposure
> in either the Jewish or non-Jewish music worlds
> (like Peter Saltzman,
> whose Revolution Ensemble plays terrific post-bop
> jazz but also works in
> Jewish subject areas; these guys don't get covered
> in, say, Downbeat).
> 
> Other than that, I'm sooooooooooooo tired of this
> discussion. We're
> going in circles and repeating ourselves to no
> particular effect.
> 
> George (has been known to go in circles to no effect
> himself, but tries
> not to make a habit of it) Robinson
> 
> 
> Sam Weiss wrote:
> > 
> > Joel Epstein wrote:
> > 
> >           >What does the fact that we are
> constantly
> >           discussing
> >           >what is Jewish music say about us?  Do
> Hungarians
> >           >wonder what is Hungarian music?
> > 
> > I thought that I could easily avoid thinking about
> this topic (since I
> > have no stake in defining Jewish music) but the
> meta-question does
> > interest me.
> > I think it confirms that we are the People Of The
> Question (which I
> > prefer to the Muhammadan appelation People Of The
> Book) and, more
> > specifically, the People Of The Self-Question,
> which is something to
> > be proud of.  It also reflects the fact that our
> unfortunate history
> > has afforded us the luxury -- and burden -- of
> rising above the levels
> > of mere nationalism and mere religion when
> considering matters of
> > self-interest and self-definition as a people. 
> Therefore the
> > Hungarians have it much easier than we do.  Of
> course, for Jews who
> > identify with the State of Israel, this luxury was
> removed in 1948.
> > And for such Jews who also take pre-1948 Jewsih
> cultural history
> > seriously, the burden is daily becoming ever more
> onerous.
> > 
> >
>
______________________________________________________
> > Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of
> Paramus, NJ
> > 
> > ---------------------- jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> ---------------------+
> >