Re: What is Israeli Music - the Metaquestion

[Ari Davidow <ari...>]

Heh! Israeli Music thrash!

If David Broza, then definitely "ick". If, say, Poliker,
or Shalom Chanoch, or even the Ethnix though....

At 02:26 PM 6/6/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>I don't mean to throw another log on the fire but what
>do you mean by "Israeli Music Ick?"  Are you refering
>to music created by Israelis?  or an "Israeli Musical
>Style" (which is hard or impossible to define).
>
>There is some wonderful music coming out of Israel
>now, (David Broza, Sheva, Eyal Sela, etc..)
>
>If you mean Poogy I agree...
>
>--- George Robinson <GRComm (at) concentric(dot)net> wrote:
>> I'm in basic agreement with Cantor Weiss on this
>> one. Would you  want to
>> be restricted to Israeli music? Ick.
>> 
>> One good thing that came out of the last thread was
>> that I realized that
>> someone -- don't remember who -- suggested that I
>> was taking space away
>> from people making good "Jewish music" when I review
>> stuff like Fred
>> Hersh playing Thelonious was essentially correct. I
>> still review jazz in
>> the column -- and I review people like Lee Konitz
>> and Jane Ira Bloom (to
>> pick two from my next column) who are not
>> necessarily making "Jewish"
>> music per se, but I try to focus more on people who
>> don't get exposure
>> in either the Jewish or non-Jewish music worlds
>> (like Peter Saltzman,
>> whose Revolution Ensemble plays terrific post-bop
>> jazz but also works in
>> Jewish subject areas; these guys don't get covered
>> in, say, Downbeat).
>> 
>> Other than that, I'm sooooooooooooo tired of this
>> discussion. We're
>> going in circles and repeating ourselves to no
>> particular effect.
>> 
>> George (has been known to go in circles to no effect
>> himself, but tries
>> not to make a habit of it) Robinson
>> 
>> 
>> Sam Weiss wrote:
>> > 
>> > Joel Epstein wrote:
>> > 
>> >           >What does the fact that we are
>> constantly
>> >           discussing
>> >           >what is Jewish music say about us?  Do
>> Hungarians
>> >           >wonder what is Hungarian music?
>> > 
>> > I thought that I could easily avoid thinking about
>> this topic (since I
>> > have no stake in defining Jewish music) but the
>> meta-question does
>> > interest me.
>> > I think it confirms that we are the People Of The
>> Question (which I
>> > prefer to the Muhammadan appelation People Of The
>> Book) and, more
>> > specifically, the People Of The Self-Question,
>> which is something to
>> > be proud of.  It also reflects the fact that our
>> unfortunate history
>> > has afforded us the luxury -- and burden -- of
>> rising above the levels
>> > of mere nationalism and mere religion when
>> considering matters of
>> > self-interest and self-definition as a people. 
>> Therefore the
>> > Hungarians have it much easier than we do.  Of
>> course, for Jews who
>> > identify with the State of Israel, this luxury was
>> removed in 1948.
>> > And for such Jews who also take pre-1948 Jewsih
>> cultural history
>> > seriously, the burden is daily becoming ever more
>> onerous.
>> > 
>> >
>>
>______________________________________________________
>> > Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of
>> Paramus, NJ
>> > 
>> > ---------------------- jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>> ---------------------+
>> >