Re: What is Israeli Music - the Metaquestion

[glenn tamir <klezska...>]

I beg to differ with you on Broza but I guess it comes
down to personal choice.  I saw him last night at
Makor and have seen him several times.  I find his
shows envigorating and uplifting.  He is an incredible
guitarist and an electric entertainer.  While he
doesn't write his own lyrics the words of his songs
are wonderfully poetic.

--- Ari Davidow <ari (at) ivritype(dot)com> wrote:
> Heh! Israeli Music thrash!
> 
> If David Broza, then definitely "ick". If, say,
> Poliker,
> or Shalom Chanoch, or even the Ethnix though....
> 
> At 02:26 PM 6/6/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >I don't mean to throw another log on the fire but
> what
> >do you mean by "Israeli Music Ick?"  Are you
> refering
> >to music created by Israelis?  or an "Israeli
> Musical
> >Style" (which is hard or impossible to define).
> >
> >There is some wonderful music coming out of Israel
> >now, (David Broza, Sheva, Eyal Sela, etc..)
> >
> >If you mean Poogy I agree...
> >
> >--- George Robinson <GRComm (at) concentric(dot)net> wrote:
> >> I'm in basic agreement with Cantor Weiss on this
> >> one. Would you  want to
> >> be restricted to Israeli music? Ick.
> >> 
> >> One good thing that came out of the last thread
> was
> >> that I realized that
> >> someone -- don't remember who -- suggested that I
> >> was taking space away
> >> from people making good "Jewish music" when I
> review
> >> stuff like Fred
> >> Hersh playing Thelonious was essentially correct.
> I
> >> still review jazz in
> >> the column -- and I review people like Lee Konitz
> >> and Jane Ira Bloom (to
> >> pick two from my next column) who are not
> >> necessarily making "Jewish"
> >> music per se, but I try to focus more on people
> who
> >> don't get exposure
> >> in either the Jewish or non-Jewish music worlds
> >> (like Peter Saltzman,
> >> whose Revolution Ensemble plays terrific post-bop
> >> jazz but also works in
> >> Jewish subject areas; these guys don't get
> covered
> >> in, say, Downbeat).
> >> 
> >> Other than that, I'm sooooooooooooo tired of this
> >> discussion. We're
> >> going in circles and repeating ourselves to no
> >> particular effect.
> >> 
> >> George (has been known to go in circles to no
> effect
> >> himself, but tries
> >> not to make a habit of it) Robinson
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sam Weiss wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Joel Epstein wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >           >What does the fact that we are
> >> constantly
> >> >           discussing
> >> >           >what is Jewish music say about us? 
> Do
> >> Hungarians
> >> >           >wonder what is Hungarian music?
> >> > 
> >> > I thought that I could easily avoid thinking
> about
> >> this topic (since I
> >> > have no stake in defining Jewish music) but the
> >> meta-question does
> >> > interest me.
> >> > I think it confirms that we are the People Of
> The
> >> Question (which I
> >> > prefer to the Muhammadan appelation People Of
> The
> >> Book) and, more
> >> > specifically, the People Of The Self-Question,
> >> which is something to
> >> > be proud of.  It also reflects the fact that
> our
> >> unfortunate history
> >> > has afforded us the luxury -- and burden -- of
> >> rising above the levels
> >> > of mere nationalism and mere religion when
> >> considering matters of
> >> > self-interest and self-definition as a people. 
> >> Therefore the
> >> > Hungarians have it much easier than we do.  Of
> >> course, for Jews who
> >> > identify with the State of Israel, this luxury
> was
> >> removed in 1948.
> >> > And for such Jews who also take pre-1948 Jewsih
> >> cultural history
> >> > seriously, the burden is daily becoming ever
> more
> >> onerous.
> >> > 
> >> >
> >>
>
>______________________________________________________
> >> > Cantor Sam Weiss === Jewish Community Center of
> >> Paramus, NJ
> >> > 
> >> > ---------------------- jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >> ---------------------+
> >> >