Re: What is Jewish Music?

[Owen Davidson <owend...>]

My business-partner Frank Padellaro imagined an Italian version of "Abiyoyo,"
called "Aglio e olio."  About a man-eating giant who didn't like  red sauce on
his pasta...

Owen

Robert Cohen wrote:

> That my writer colleague George Robinson approaches liturgical folk music
> with the notion that it is (all? or mostly?) "dorky folk-pop Judaica" I
> think is unfortunate--I don't think it's helpful to dismiss an entire genre
> of music that way, rather than being open to whatever you hear.  (Can you
> really be so, when you're about to listen to what you think of as "another
> dorky folk-pop Judaica" CD?)  George has always been out-front in his
> columns about his biases/likes & dislikes, but I still think it's
> unfortunate in a reviewer to approach new music w/ such a hard-edged bias.
> I obviously have my own bias, as a lecturer about and historian of,
> occasional writer about, and even (this fall) producer of (a compilation CD
> of) contemporary liturgical folk music--in my view, our most distinctive
> indigenous American-Jewish music in this generation....In any case, quite
> aside from the content, George, like a lot of writers, is under the
> mis-impression that "begging the question" means deferring answering it.
> Properly used, it doesn't (though "evading the issue" has now become, by
> repeated use, an accepted informal usage); it refers to the logical fallacy
> of assuming as true the very thing you are seeking or claiming to
> prove....Second editorial advisement (not in re George's post):  _graffiti_
> _is_ a plural; sing., graffito (!).  That's right, a spaghetto is a single
> strand of; ditto (!), raviolo (which I think is a neat-sounding word,
> anyway; makes me want to burst into Italian song.  Actually it rhymes w/
> [Pete Seeger's] "Abiyoyo"--new verse possibilities?).  This is actually of
> some mild Jewish interest, as the word "ghetto" is an Italian singular of
> the same sort--only we never plural it the Italian way in English, as we do
> spaghetti, ravioli, graffiti, etc.  Hope anybody found this
> interesting--Robert Cohen
>
> >From: George Robinson <GRComm (at) concentric(dot)net>
> >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: What is Jewish Music?
> >Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 17:16:09 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >JeffSchan (at) aol(dot)com wrote:
> >
> > > I just got back from a few days in the Adirondacks and caught up on
> >several
> > > days of digests.  So, I may be responding partly to what people were
> >saying a
> > > few days ago.  I know John Zorn, although not very well, and on his
> > > motivation for classifying Bacharach as a Jewish composer, I think that
> > > people have to understand that Zorn is an iconoclast.  So, besides
> >liking his
> > > music, he probably wanted to release the CD in order to push the
> >boundaries
> > > of what people think is Jewish music, both in terms of Bacharach, and in
> > > terms of the musicians who did the covers.  I don't care for Bacharach,
> >so I
> > > haven't heard the CD.  I know George Robinson reviewed in for Jewish
> >Week, so
> > > if he has time, he might be able to contribute his opinion.
> > >
> >
> >Actually, I had hoped to avoid commenting on this thread, coward that I am,
> >but
> >since Jeff has invoked my name, like a demon summoned from the depths (do
> >Jews do
> >that sort of thing?), I hereby arise to take the challenge.
> >
> >First, let me say that I am in general agreement with much of Jeffrey's
> >posting.
> >I have tried whenever possible to write about contemporary "avant-garde"
> >Jewish
> >music in the pages of Jewish Week (and more recently the Detroit Jewish
> >News and
> >Jewish World Review as well). The earth, Thomas Jefferson wrote, belongs to
> >the
> >living generations, and while I think it is a matter of honor to render
> >homage to
> >our musical forebears, helping the dead collect royalties strikes me as a
> >lower
> >priority than expounding the virtues of the all-but-forgotten living. (Or
> >as a
> >sports scout once said to me in a different context, "Sure there are
> >Hall-of-Famers in this year's draft. We just don't know who they are yet.")
> >
> >Of course that begs the question of what constitutes Jewish music. (I said
> >I was
> >a coward.)
> >
> >I have made it a policy -- stated quite publicly in my column on more than
> >one
> >occasion -- of reviewing the work of Jewish musicians regardless of Jewish
> >content. The reasons for this are twofold. First, out of pure selfishness
> >-- I
> >came to Jewish music from jazz and blues and those remain my first musical
> >loves;
> >I get great pleasure out of writing about those musics and my open-door
> >policy
> >alows me to do so. Second, and more to the point, I know the readership of
> >my
> >various publications; they are more likely to own recordings by Carlebach
> >or
> >(much worse) the dorky folk-pop Judaica music that I must confess I am
> >utterly
> >unsympathetic to than they are recordings by the people whose work is
> >usually
> >discussed here. So I cast my net as widely as possible to bring to my
> >readers'
> >attention people as various as BOW, Naftule's Dream, Fred Hersch (playing
> >Thelonious Monk), Jane Ira Bloom, Metallish (a Hasidic heavy-metal power
> >trio;
> >don't laugh, they're good), Jeffrey Schanzer, obscure symphonic work by
> >Leonard
> >Bernstein, and so on.
> >
> >So what does that mean in terms of the question on the floor? As someone
> >else
> >wrote somewhere in this thread, Jewish music is music made by Jewish
> >musicians,
> >singers, songwriters, etc., often (but not always) on Jewish themes or with
> >Jewish musical influences or content. Given the hybrid nature of
> >traditional
> >Jewish musics -- the influence of gypsy music on klezmer, of goyish
> >military
> >music on Hasidic niggunim, of American folk forms on, say, Debbie Friedman,
> >of
> >blues on Bob Dylan, and so on ad infinitum, ad nauseum -- it's hard to be
> >more
> >purist than that.
> >
> >Anyway, as I always say to people who ask me, if my definition of Jewish
> >music is
> >too broad/narrow/parochial/catholic for you, get your own column and review
> >what
> >_you_ like.
> >
> >That's a very pragmatic, non-theoretical answer to a very theoretical
> >question.
> >
> >I just happen to think that in an era in which corporate decisions dominate
> >music
> >sales, anyone with access to a readership that pays even a little attention
> >to
> >what he/she says has a moral obligation to write about as wide a range of
> >non-corporate music as possible. Which has nothing to do with Jewishness,
> >or
> >everything to do with it. Depends on your point of view.
> >
> >Sorry for rambling on like this.
> >Happy Yom Ha'atzmaut Amerikanish
> >George Robinson
> >
> >
> >
>
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