RE: Re: Associations

[Marvin3809 <Marvin3809...>]

> From: Alex_Jacobowitz (at) compuserve(dot)com (Alex Jacobowitz)
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> B"H Munich
> 
> Does somebody own Adon Olam? 
> >yes. Klal Yisrael.
> 
> Do you believe it has always been sung to one particular melody?
> >But that's not the point, is it? Every Shabbat liturgy ever heard of
> uses Adon Olam. Agreed? So we can admit that there's a "convention"
> of sorts - across the spectrum. Now, if there's a similar convention
> for the notorious itsy-bitsy melody, why disrupt it? 
> 
> What if 15% of mashgichim (supervisors of kashrus standards) 
> one day decided that this "gantse megillah" (whole story) about 
> separating meat and milk was "childish," and sought alternatives - 
> each to his/her own tastes?

Kashruth comes from the Torah, with specific rulkes in the Talmud.  Are there
rules about melodies for prayers in the Torah or the Talmud?  As far as I
know, wh have no knowledge of hos the prayers were sung in ancient times.

> One decides it's okay to mix meat and milk only on Mondays and Thursdays.
> 
> Another decides that mixing meat and milk is okay *anytime, as long as it
> is
> "spritually uplifting" - for instance, as long as you make a bracha
> (blessing) over it.
> 
> Yet a third takes the Talmudic concept of "battul b'shishim" (that one
> quantity 
> inside another is considered negligible if found in less than a 1:60 ratio)
> - meaning
> that you can mix meat and milk once every two months! (Gregorian, of
> course...)
> 
> Please, ladies and gentlemen of the musical jury, keep your hands off our
> traditions, even if you think you know where they came from.

To most of us, tradition is what we grew up with.  There are and perhanps
"always" have been different ways of worship, at least once the Hebrews ended
their wanderings in the desert and established tribal areas.  In our family,
my wife puts a little water in the Shabbat candle holder to keep the flame
from damaging the silver when the candle burns down.   When our daughters
began to light Shabbat candles in their own homes, they asked about the
religioius significance of the water.

> Because once
> you remove the boundaries, we'll no longer know what's ours anymore - and
> what isn't.
> Wanna sing "Adon Olam" to melodies from Carmen? Then sing it in the shower,
> please.
> Except for the last line - the one that mentions His name. According to
> Halacha, 
> that's not allowed to be said (let alone sung) while naked.
> 
> To not know the difference between "bless Mordechai" and "curse Haman" is a
> mitzva
> ONLY on Purim - NOT the rest of the year...
> 
> a freylach Purim!
> 
> Aj
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