Re: KI "news to me"

[Eliezer Kaplan <zelwel...>]

This was snuck into the Purim Shpiel- though I've asked our rabbi about the
content of the Berman paper, he wouldn't do anything that might go against a
ruling (or what he'd believe to be an extension of a ruling) of HIS rebbe,
Rabbi Aaaron Soleveitchik, z"l. KI is definitely a no-no at my shul.

But what happened was this- I wrote part of the shpiel that year and there
was a nightmare sequence like in Fiddler on the Roof. Now this is a purim
shpiel- so it was Bill Clinton's nightmare in which he is serenaded by
Hillary's version of the Mazel Tov song, not long after the Lewinsky
incident. You can imagine.

OK. Well I had a talk with my 'Hillary' before hand and said there was a KI
issue- maybe she should do the part sprechshtimme-like but she said no,
she'd deal with it. And she sang.

                                            EK


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Sharf" <jsharf (at) ix(dot)netcom(dot)com>
To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: KI "news to me"


> There's a fair amount of ashkenazi Orthodox room to maneuver on this, too.
> I've been at any number of modern orthodox Shabbat tables, all over the
> country and in Israel, where women sing zemirot and birkat.  I
specifically
> remember an Orthodox rabbi of mine saying that "whatever situation Kol
Isha
> was supposed to apply to, sitting around the Shabbat table singing zemers
> isn't it."  Suffice it to say that there's not a unified Orthodox position
> on this issue in all its details.
>
> Also, there's a halachic distinction between individual women singing, and
> singing in groups (which I haven't seen mentioned on this thread, although
I
> may have missed it).  Kol Isha is supposed to apply to individual women's
> voices, and there was a determination at some point that three or more
> voices singing together couldn't be distinguished individually.  I'd need
to
> do research to determine the specific rationale.
>
> Joshua Sharf
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) comcast(dot)net>
> To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: KI "news to me"
>
>
> > In general I don't think the Sephardim are as strict, though being an
> > Ashkenazi myself I don't know that I'm quite fully qualified to comment
on
> > the topic with any real authority. But Judith Frankel has performed at
one
> > of the local Sephardic Orthodox shuls. So, l'maaseh, I have at least one
> > example.
> > BTW I once got away with sneaking it in at MY shul- in a Purim schpiel
;-)
> >                                                 EK
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Judith R. Cohen" <judithc (at) yorku(dot)ca>
> > To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:31 AM
> > Subject: KI "news to me"
> >
> >
> > > hi, I've been in Montreal and with almost no internet access, haven't
> even
> > > been able to read the slew of Kol Isha messages which have aopeared
the
> > lats
> > > few days. But Friday night I was invited for supper at the home of
some
> > > Moroccan Jews, a lovely SHabbat meal, lots of singing of both Moroccan
> and
> > > Ashkenazi tunes to welcome SHabbat,kids going to Jewish day schoolls,
> > Jewish
> > > custom happily observed....- and during the conversation - the father
> > > (Moroccan) didn't even KNOW kol isha was being applied in this sort
ofd
> > > circumstance (the sort I and other women have unhappily described
here)
> > and
> > > was absolutely horrified. He said he thought it was an abysmal shame,
> and
> > , in
> > > his words, a disgrace to Judaism. Just thought I'd mention it, Judith
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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