Re: KI "news to me"

[Joshua Sharf <jsharf...>]

There's a fair amount of ashkenazi Orthodox room to maneuver on this, too.
I've been at any number of modern orthodox Shabbat tables, all over the
country and in Israel, where women sing zemirot and birkat.  I specifically
remember an Orthodox rabbi of mine saying that "whatever situation Kol Isha
was supposed to apply to, sitting around the Shabbat table singing zemers
isn't it."  Suffice it to say that there's not a unified Orthodox position
on this issue in all its details.

Also, there's a halachic distinction between individual women singing, and
singing in groups (which I haven't seen mentioned on this thread, although I
may have missed it).  Kol Isha is supposed to apply to individual women's
voices, and there was a determination at some point that three or more
voices singing together couldn't be distinguished individually.  I'd need to
do research to determine the specific rationale.

Joshua Sharf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eliezer Kaplan" <zelwel (at) comcast(dot)net>
To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: KI "news to me"


> In general I don't think the Sephardim are as strict, though being an
> Ashkenazi myself I don't know that I'm quite fully qualified to comment on
> the topic with any real authority. But Judith Frankel has performed at one
> of the local Sephardic Orthodox shuls. So, l'maaseh, I have at least one
> example.
> BTW I once got away with sneaking it in at MY shul- in a Purim schpiel ;-)
>                                                 EK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judith R. Cohen" <judithc (at) yorku(dot)ca>
> To: "World music from a Jewish slant" <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:31 AM
> Subject: KI "news to me"
>
>
> > hi, I've been in Montreal and with almost no internet access, haven't
even
> > been able to read the slew of Kol Isha messages which have aopeared the
> lats
> > few days. But Friday night I was invited for supper at the home of some
> > Moroccan Jews, a lovely SHabbat meal, lots of singing of both Moroccan
and
> > Ashkenazi tunes to welcome SHabbat,kids going to Jewish day schoolls,
> Jewish
> > custom happily observed....- and during the conversation - the father
> > (Moroccan) didn't even KNOW kol isha was being applied in this sort ofd
> > circumstance (the sort I and other women have unhappily described here)
> and
> > was absolutely horrified. He said he thought it was an abysmal shame,
and
> , in
> > his words, a disgrace to Judaism. Just thought I'd mention it, Judith
> >
> >
>
>

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