Re: Yiddish poetry

[Sylvia Schildt <creativa...>]

Ditto the songs of Papiernikov -- his stuff was often plagiarized and sung
without his permission, which ticked him off no end.

Sylvia Schildt
Baltimore, Maryland


on 1/10/04 7:23 PM, Lori M Simon at lorelecs (at) juno(dot)com wrote:

> I agree with Irwin.  I'm sure that's what Sylvia meant.  There are many
> songbooks I have seen where songs with known composers are listed as folk
> or traditional because the editors or publishers had either no knowledge
> and no resources for finding the information, or no inclination to do so.
> Many composed songs and poems became folklorized within the author or
> composer's lifetime.  I forget about whom the story is told (I'm sure
> someone on this list can refresh my memory), but the songwriter was
> listening to a singer sing one of his songs.  Afterward he went up to
> talk to the singer and told him that certain lines should have been
> otherwise, and were changed from the original.  The outraged singer said,
> "Who are you to tell me this?  I've been singing it this way for 10
> years!"  The songwriter left it at that.
> 
> Many of Warshavsky's songs are like that.  Also the lyrics of Rivesman.
> 
> Lorele
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:00:41 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) "I.
> Oppenheim" <i(dot)oppenheim (at) xs4all(dot)nl> writes:
>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Sylvie Braitman wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess when I say art songs, I mean music that cannot be just
>> written with
>>> a chord chart.
>> 
>> So you mean polyphonic music rather than homophonic
>> music?
>> 
>>> But what do you mean when you say "A lot of what is
>>> thought to be folk music isn't"?
>> 
>> There's a lot of Jewish music that is assumed to be
>> "traditional", simply because people don't care to
>> find out who composed the songs in question.
>> 
>> 
>> Groeten,
>> Irwin Oppenheim
>> i(dot)oppenheim (at) xs4all(dot)nl
>> ~~~*
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