Re: Ipcha Mistabra

[shirona <shirona...>]

OK Lorele,  I must honor the challenge.  But I'm no linguist, and in my 
previous posting it was just meant as a little tease for Robert...

Ipcha Mistabra is an old fashioned expression used in Israel. It probably has 
something to do with studying the Talmud. 

Aramaic is close to Hebrew, with many of the same roots.  Ipcha, or Hipcha, is 
from the root Hey, Fay, Chaf.  Hafooch in Hebrew means upside down or inverted. 
 Hahefech means the opposite, the contrary.  

Mistabra is related to the word Mistaber, which means -  "probably", "turns out 
to be", or "it seems that...".  Put the two together and you get something like 
-  "turns out to be the opposite of what you are saying".

Shabbat Shalom,
Shirona 

 



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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lori Cahan-Simon 
  To: World music from a Jewish slant 
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:39 PM
  Subject: Ipcha Mistabra


      
    Hey Shirona, I have no clue what "Ipcha Mistabra" means and I have no 
Aramaic-English dictionary.  Care to elucidate? 
    Lorele 

    Marvin wrote: 

      Smetena used melodies from folk music.  Hatikvah probably used the same 
resource. 
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:shirona
        To: World music from a Jewish slant
        Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:04 PM
        Subject: Is "Hatikvah" Jewish?
         A few years ago I attended a seminar on the origins of "Jewish Music", 
and one of the examples studied was our very own Hatikvah.  Most people think 
that the melody was taken from Smetana's "Moldava" - which already implies that 
it was "shnorered" from another (non Jewish...) source.  However - according to 
some musicologists, the melody for Hatikvah can be traced to a Romanian 
horse-and-buggy song. The same tune that might have influenced Smetana...  But 
either way - our own National Anthem is not Jewish.  So what kind of excuses do 
we need to come up with to justify this? How can we make any claims at all - on 
what Jewish music is or isn't?  Wandering for two thousand years - we 
"shnorered" from whatever culture we lived with at the time, mixed it with what 
we already had, moved to other countries - and the process goes on and on.  If 
anything - we were probably the most effective proponents of "cultural 
cross-pollination" around. But what difference does all this make?  Does it 
really matter if the music we use was genuinely "created" by "us", or somehow 
borrowed, intentionally or unintentionally, from another source? Is it 
important to hang on to those definitions?  Music is music...  Traditions, 
taste and styles change and evolve with time. OK Robert... I'm now waiting for 
your "Ipcha Mistabra" response.  If you don't know what that means - it's in 
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