Ipcha Mistabra

[Lori Cahan-Simon <l_cahan...>]

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> Hey Shirona, I have no clue what "Ipcha Mistabra" means and I have no
> Aramaic-English dictionary.  Care to elucidate?
> Lorele
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> Marvin wrote:
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>> Smetena used melodies from folk music.  Hatikvah probably used the
>> same resource.
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>>      ----- Original Message -----
>>      From:shirona
>>      To: World music from a Jewish slant
>>      Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:04 PM
>>      Subject: Is "Hatikvah" Jewish?
>>       A few years ago I attended a seminar on the origins of
>>      "Jewish Music", and one of the examples studied was our
>>      very own Hatikvah.  Most people think that the melody was
>>      taken from Smetana's "Moldava" - which already implies
>>      that it was "shnorered" from another (non Jewish...)
>>      source.  However - according to some musicologists, the
>>      melody for Hatikvah can be traced to a Romanian
>>      horse-and-buggy song. The same tune that might have
>>      influenced Smetana...  But either way - our own National
>>      Anthem is not Jewish.  So what kind of excuses do we need
>>      to come up with to justify this? How can we make any
>>      claims at all - on what Jewish music is or isn't?
>>      Wandering for two thousand years - we "shnorered" from
>>      whatever culture we lived with at the time, mixed it with
>>      what we already had, moved to other countries - and the
>>      process goes on and on.  If anything - we were probably
>>      the most effective proponents of "cultural
>>      cross-pollination" around. But what difference does all
>>      this make?  Does it really matter if the music we use was
>>      genuinely "created" by "us", or somehow borrowed,
>>      intentionally or unintentionally, from another source? Is
>>      it important to hang on to those definitions?  Music is
>>      music...  Traditions, taste and styles change and evolve
>>      with time. OK Robert... I'm now waiting for your "Ipcha
>>      Mistabra" response.  If you don't know what that means -
>>      it's in Aramaic.  Look it up. Shirona - - - - - - - - - -
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