Re: Lehman Engel & Levi Yitzchak's Kaddish

[Robert Cohen <rlcm17...>]

I've now found a record on which "J. Engel"--that would (?) be Joel Engel, 
surely much more likely; and another on which simply "Engel" is listed--just 
as Wolf found, on one of _his_ records.  So at this point we're dealing with 
various liner notes!!--and our own suppositions.

If anyone learns anything more, please advise!--as I will.

--Robert Cohen


>From: wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Lehman Engel & Levi Yitzchak's Kaddish
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:11:36 -0400
>
>Robert,
>
>My mention of Lehman Engel came from the contents listing to the CD
>Paul Robeson: Songs of Free Men (Sony Classical MHK 63223).
>
>LEHMAN ENGEL (1910-82) is written in caps in large font in red above
>"Chassidic Chant"  2'40  (Recorded on January 27, 1942.).
>
>I don't know where they got this information and don't know which of
>the named persons should get credit/blame for putting it in print.
>
>I just looked at my Monitor LP Paul Robeson: Favorite Songs.  There I
>find "Hassidic Chant: Kaddish"  2:40  (Arranged by J. Engel).
>I have not compared the 2 recordings, but the timing would lead me to
>believe that they may be identical.  And J. Engel is much more likely
>to me than L. Engel.
>
>Bob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Cohen <rlcm17 (at) hotmail(dot)com>
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:23 PM
>Subject: Lehman Engel & Levi Yitzchak's Kaddish
>
>
> >Inspired by a mention on the list of an autobiography (THIS BRIGHT
>DAY) of
> >Lehman Engel, whom I'd never previously heard of (of course, now I'm
> >noticing his name as a conductor on numerous recordings),  I took the
>book
> >out of the library.  I didn't read it--it seems, frankly, like a
>typical
> >breezy, chatty memoir of not that much substance, though I don't mean
>it's
> >anything bad--but I did glance through it, and in particular I
>checked the
> >index quite thoroughly.  Observe what I found:
> >
> >There are *no* entries for Jews/Judaism/Jewish music; none for Levi
>Yitchak
> >of Berdichev under any possible spelling; none for his (or any)
>Kaddish;
> >none for Paul Robeson--for whom, someone averred here, L.E.
>translated (and
> >arranged?) Levi Yitchak's Kaddish.
> >
> >Now, obviously, the lack of a mention of the L. Y. Kaddish, if indeed
>it
> >isn't mentioned (and the index seemed otherwise thorough), doesn't
>actually
> >prove anything--though it would seem odd, certainly given Robeson's
>fame,
> >for Engel not to have mentioned such a collaboration. But I remain
>highly
> >skeptical that Lehman Engel had anything to do w/ Levi Yitchak's
>Kaddish, or
> >its English-language adaptation as sung by Robseon, at all--and I
>still
> >welcome any evidence anyone has to that effect or otherwise.
> >
> >--Robert Cohen
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