Re: Kol Isha/Trudi's Yiddish/

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Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky wrote:

> Wolf,
>
> >Depends on if Trudi meant " smallER world"   or just "world".
>
> If Trudi would have wanted to say a " smallER world", your correction would
> not have been right.  That sentence would have needed to have been:
>
> <dayn velt iz a klenere velt.>

Whoops:  I wrote <kleynere> instead of <klenere>.  Same word, incorrect
transliteration.

> And the word order was definitely incorrect.   Her word order was English
> and not Yiddish.  No native Yiddish speaker would have said that sentence
> that way.

That's a little overbearing .  NO native Yiddish speaker?  Please.

> Wolf, you have to know Yiddish well in order to offer corrections.

Reyzl,  I may not be a stone expert like Herzog or Shaechter,  but to  say
that I don't know it well is really condescending.

>   Yiddish is my first languge.  I  may not have learnt it in yeshiva,

> and am not a grammarian, but it is the people's Yiddish. Like Elvis'
> English, if I may be permitted to draw a parallel. Maybe Lawrence Olivier
> would have winced, but that wouldn't have  made Elvis' speech "incorrect",
> just a different regional speech.

You know very well that the scholars  have designated 4 distinct regional
Yiddish dialects/styles not counting the overlaps.  If you choose to claim the
<hoykhe fenster> Yiddishof the textbooks is the only real deal, , that is your
right, but it doesn't make me wrong, either.
Weinreich, because of his personal hang-ups, omitted much of the people's
Yiddish in a silly attempt to shoehorn the language or as  he apparently
thought, to elevate it.

As I said before, -- picky, picky.

Say hi to Josh for me.

Wolf

>

>

> Reyzl
>
> ----------
> From:  Kame'a Media [SMTP:media (at) kamea(dot)com]
> Sent:  Sunday, September 26, 1999 9:23 AM
> To:  World music from a Jewish slant
> Subject:  Re: Kol Isha/Trudi's Yiddish
>
> Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky wrote:
>
> > OK, let's make it all proper Yiddish.
> >
> > <take nokh amol>
> > <dayn velt iz di kleyner velt> <mayn is gants andersh ikh denk, ober zis>
> >
> >
> > <take nokh amol>
> > <dayn velt iz a kleyne velt.  Mayn iz, meyn ikh, gants andersh, ober
> zis.>
>
> Depends on if Trudi meant " smallER world"   or just "world".
>
> > Thank God we got rid of all that previous pure German.
>
> I concede that "denk ikh" is <daytshmerish> but that does not make it
> improper
> Yiddish, only regional vernacular.   It is true that <tsu denken> implies a
> more active cogitation than Trudi's sentence necessitates so, your
> substitution
> of <meyn ikh> is good.
>
> I maintain that the word order is somewhat  flexible, although I should
> have
> inserted commas, too.
>
> Picky, picky.
>
> Wolf
>
> >
> >
> > Reyzl
> >
> > ----------
> > From:  Kame'a Media [SMTP:media (at) kamea(dot)com]
> > Sent:  Friday, September 24, 1999 2:34 PM
> > To:  World music from a Jewish slant
> > Subject:  Re: Kol Isha
> >
> > Right on, Shira!
> >
> > I can begin to understand why someone with your mindset left copyright
> law.
> > Great post.  People just tend to shy away from real issues.
> > I am shocked that an issue pertaining to social justice, not to mention
> the
> > aspirations and livelihoods of many on this list (who struggle with this
> > stuff every day)  would be perceived as a "rat hole" and not an
> opportunity
> > to effect change.
> >
> > You made your point very well.
> >
> > Steve --
> > To me, a musical group was always an "Us-against-the-world" proposition.
> > All for one and one for all, -- in all sincerity.
> > I would feel disloyal doing what you do under these circumstances.
> > It's like: "Okay, we won't bring the Black guy".
> > Your position perpetuates, in my view, a social injustice and panders to
> > dangerous regressive forces that harm us all.  The intermarriage and
> > assimilation issue is a distraction.
> >
> > Then again, if it's only business -- There was an early rock and roll
> group,
> > the Hollywood Argyles. They had  white, Black and Latino line-ups.
> >
> > Jewish life and living are too precious to be dominated by the monolithic
> > arcane views
> > of a handful of MEN ONLY.
> >
> > I believe Judaism is an evolving civilization.
> > Jewish institutions are another matter.
> >
> > We can only hope that through protracted peace and the healing of
> > survivor families, the uprooted, embattled and impoverished,
> > we can truly evolve and leave the tired obscure outlooks of mere mortal
> > men behind.  Infallibility is not a Jewish concept as applied to human
> > beings.
> >
> > Let's play Halakhic Hot Seat:
> >
> > Let's say there is a singing Jewish hermaphrodite out there.
> > Can  orthodox men listen to the verses, but not the choruses?
> >
> > Trudi Goodman wrote:
> >
> > > ayn take mol..
> > > daynes veld iz die kleynzeker veld, maynes iz gantze sondern ish denk
> aber
> > > zis.
> >
> > Guerilla Yiddish Lesson #208
> > <take nokh amol>
> > <dayn velt iz di kleyner velt> <mayn is gants andersh ikh denk, ober zis>
> >
> > Wolf
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>



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