RE: Kol Isha/Trudi's Yiddish

[Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky <reyzl...>]

Wolf,

>Depends on if Trudi meant " smallER world"   or just "world".

If Trudi would have wanted to say a " smallER world", your correction would 
not have been right.  That sentence would have needed to have been:

<dayn velt iz a klenere velt.>

And the word order was definitely incorrect.   Her word order was English 
and not Yiddish.  No native Yiddish speaker would have said that sentence 
that way.

Wolf, you have to know Yiddish well in order to offer corrections.


Reyzl




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To:  World music from a Jewish slant
Subject:  Re: Kol Isha/Trudi's Yiddish



Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky wrote:

> OK, let's make it all proper Yiddish.
>
> <take nokh amol>
> <dayn velt iz di kleyner velt> <mayn is gants andersh ikh denk, ober zis>
>
>
> <take nokh amol>
> <dayn velt iz a kleyne velt.  Mayn iz, meyn ikh, gants andersh, ober 
zis.>

Depends on if Trudi meant " smallER world"   or just "world".

> Thank God we got rid of all that previous pure German.

I concede that "denk ikh" is <daytshmerish> but that does not make it 
improper
Yiddish, only regional vernacular.   It is true that <tsu denken> implies a
more active cogitation than Trudi's sentence necessitates so, your 
substitution
of <meyn ikh> is good.

I maintain that the word order is somewhat  flexible, although I should 
have
inserted commas, too.

Picky, picky.

Wolf

>
>
> Reyzl
>
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> From:  Kame'a Media [SMTP:media (at) kamea(dot)com]
> Sent:  Friday, September 24, 1999 2:34 PM
> To:  World music from a Jewish slant
> Subject:  Re: Kol Isha
>
> Right on, Shira!
>
> I can begin to understand why someone with your mindset left copyright 
law.
> Great post.  People just tend to shy away from real issues.
> I am shocked that an issue pertaining to social justice, not to mention 
the
> aspirations and livelihoods of many on this list (who struggle with this
> stuff every day)  would be perceived as a "rat hole" and not an 
opportunity
> to effect change.
>
> You made your point very well.
>
> Steve --
> To me, a musical group was always an "Us-against-the-world" proposition.
> All for one and one for all, -- in all sincerity.
> I would feel disloyal doing what you do under these circumstances.
> It's like: "Okay, we won't bring the Black guy".
> Your position perpetuates, in my view, a social injustice and panders to
> dangerous regressive forces that harm us all.  The intermarriage and
> assimilation issue is a distraction.
>
> Then again, if it's only business -- There was an early rock and roll 
group,
> the Hollywood Argyles. They had  white, Black and Latino line-ups.
>
> Jewish life and living are too precious to be dominated by the monolithic
> arcane views
> of a handful of MEN ONLY.
>
> I believe Judaism is an evolving civilization.
> Jewish institutions are another matter.
>
> We can only hope that through protracted peace and the healing of
> survivor families, the uprooted, embattled and impoverished,
> we can truly evolve and leave the tired obscure outlooks of mere mortal
> men behind.  Infallibility is not a Jewish concept as applied to human
> beings.
>
> Let's play Halakhic Hot Seat:
>
> Let's say there is a singing Jewish hermaphrodite out there.
> Can  orthodox men listen to the verses, but not the choruses?
>
> Trudi Goodman wrote:
>
> > ayn take mol..
> > daynes veld iz die kleynzeker veld, maynes iz gantze sondern ish denk 
aber
> > zis.
>
> Guerilla Yiddish Lesson #208
> <take nokh amol>
> <dayn velt iz di kleyner velt> <mayn is gants andersh ikh denk, ober zis>
>
> Wolf
>
> >
> >
>





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