Re: Julio Inglesias Jewish?

[robert wiener <wiener...>]

Reyzl,

I have a copy of Adam Sandler's song, so I guess that I thought that
it was of enough Jewish significance to add to my collection.

I was referring to the practice when I was of Bar Mitzvah age of
giving boys books of naming Jewish athletes, apparently to develop a
sense of self-esteem in us.  I've even seen a web site that does that.
(Sorry -- don't think I bookmarked it.)

I guess that Adam Sandler had the same sort of experience growing up
and (although I haven't heard the song since at least last Hanukkah)
as I recall that's what it is.  (Just listened to a bit, and it is
essentially a list of people who are Jewish for those who feel left
out because they don't have a Christmas tree.)  I don't think that the
importance of Jewishness to those mentioned was a factor in making the
list; that is, identifying oneself as being Jewish wasn't necessary to
be identified as Jewish (and, I guess, some sort of role model).

Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky <reyzl (at) flash(dot)net>
To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: Julio Inglesias Jewish?


>Bob,
>
>The only people I know who want to call such music 'Jewish music' are
John
>Zorn.   No one else here seems to agree with him, although some may
find
>Jewish elements in some things.     There seem to be two distinct and
>interesting categories - "Jewish music" and "music created by Jews"
just as
>there are two other categories "Jewish composers" and "American
composers
>of Jewish heritage".   Since some composers write Jewish and
non-Jewish
>music, they may fall into both of the latter categories.
>
>Adam Sandler's "Khanukah song" (name?) I consider a Jewish song.
Why
>don't you?
>
>
>Reyzl
>
>
>
>----------
>From:  robert wiener[SMTP:wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com]
>Sent:  Friday, July 02, 1999 10:17 AM
>To:  World music from a Jewish slant
>Subject:  Re: Julio Inglesias Jewish?
>
>It seems to me that there is more to making Jewish music than having
a
>Jewish name (or parents with Jewish names) -- whatever definition we
>use.  I think that the fact that lineage will suffice for being
Jewish
>leads to that flawed notion and "Jewish music" projects such as the
>list  below, the "Stars of David" CD-rom and Theresienstadt composer
>series that include pieces before and after the Shoah that have
>nothing to do with Judaism.  It is of the same genre as "Bar Mitzvah
>books" of Jewish Sports Heroes and Adam Sandler's song.
>
>In fact, if Judaism really taught that Judaism is all about blood,
>conversion would not be possible and it would feel racist to me.
>
>That said, it is interesting that several of the list members below
>have recorded music relevant to Judaism (e.g., Streisand's "Hatikvah"
>and Jolson's "Kol Nidre").
>
>Bob
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Seth Rogovoy <rogovoy (at) berkshire(dot)net>
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:00 AM
>Subject: RE: Julio Inglesias Jewish?
>
>
>>> Van Halen too?
>>
>>ex-lead singer David Lee Roth, a Jew.
>>
>>> Blondie?
>>
>>lead singer Debbie Harry=Debbie Harari, a Sephardic Jew (?)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The Jewish Telegraphic Agency recently wrote that Mel Torme, who
>>> just died
>>> was Jewish.   Never knew that.
>>>
>>>    "Torme, who died Saturday at 73 of complications from a stroke
>he
>>>    suffered in 1996, was born to Russian Jewish immigrant parents
>on
>>>    Chicago's South Side.
>>>
>>>    Immigration officials had changed the family's name from Torma
>to
>>>    Torme.
>>>
>>>    In an interview some years ago, the singer recalled that he and
>his
>>>    family would sit on the front stoop after Sabbath dinner and
>sing
>>>    for the neighbors."
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is the list at the Zipple site:
>>>
>>> --------------------FORWARD---------------------------
>>> OK...So it may not be "Jewish Music"! But, they are Jewish and
they
>>> are creating music!!
>>>
>>> Paul[a] Abdul
>>> Stan Getz
>>> Mandy Patinkin
>>> Herb Albert
>>> Go Go's
>>> Pearl Jam
>>> Burt Bacharach
>>> Benny Goodman
>>> Jan Peerce
>>> The Bangles
>>> Eydie Gorme
>>> Itzhak Perlman
>>> Irving Berlin
>>> Guns and Roses
>>> Phish
>>> Victor Borge
>>> Sheldon Harnick
>>> Porno for Pyros
>>> Beastie Boys
>>> Richard Hell
>>> Poster Children
>>> Blondie
>>> Iggy Pop
>>> Elvis Presley
>>> Blue Oyster Cult
>>> Julio Inglesias
>>> The Ramones
>>> Blur
>>> Billy Joel
>>> Red Hot Chili Peppers
>>> Eddie Cantor
>>> Al Jolson
>>> Lou Reed
>>> The Clash
>>> Dannny Kaye
>>> Buddy Rich
>>> Joe Cocker
>>> Jerome Kern
>>> Rogers & Hammerstein
>>> Al Cohn
>>> Carole King
>>> David Lee Roth
>>> Cy Coleman
>>> KISS
>>> Rush
>>> Sammy Davis Jr.
>>> The Knack
>>> Adam Sandler
>>> Depeche Mode
>>> Lenny Kravitz
>>> Neil Sedaka
>>> Neil Diamond
>>> Steve Lawrence
>>> Artie Shaw
>>> Dictators
>>> Jerry Leiber
>>> Dinah Shore
>>> Dire Straits
>>> Frank Loesser
>>> Alan Sherman
>>> Bob Dylan
>>> Alan Jay Lerner
>>> Simon and Garfunkel
>>> Elastica
>>> Lords of the New Church
>>> Carly Simon
>>> Mama Cass Elliot
>>> Barry Manilow
>>> Paul Simon
>>> Michael Feinstein
>>> Manfred Mann
>>> Steely Dan
>>> Eddie Fisher
>>> Marc Bolan & T. Rex
>>> Stephan Sondheim
>>> Free
>>> Tony Martin
>>> Phil Spector
>>> Bud Freeman
>>> Jackie Mason
>>> Barbara Streisand
>>> Kenny G.
>>> Bette Midler
>>> Mel Torme
>>> J. Geils Band
>>> New York Dolls
>>> Van Halen
>>> Georgre Gershwin
>>> Randy Newman
>>> Weird Al Yankovic
>>> Ira Gershwin
>>> Phil Ochs
>>> Paul Whiteman
>>> Warren Zevon
>>> =================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> Reyzl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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