Re: shiron for shirah b'tzibur

[trombaedu <trombaedu...>]

I have the Camp Ramah Shiron, Kol B'Ramah, and find it the closest to 
what you looking for.

Jordan

Robert Wiener wrote:

> Any suggestion for a comprehensive volume or series of booklets of 
> shironim/songsters for shirah b'tzibur/group singing of Israeli songs 
> -- a kind of "Rise Up Singing" with the following characteristics 
> (have I left any important ones out?):
> 1. comprehensive (includes a large number of songs from all periods, 
> from the First Aliyah to the present, primarily secular, especially 
> those reflecting Israel's history)
> 2. correct (text without too many errors)
> 3. legible
> 4. transliterations
> 5. translations (to English)
> 6. complete (all verses of songs as composed, in both Hebrew and 
> transliteration and translation)
>  
> I think that it would be wonderful to have a companion version with 
> music.  (Now that I think of it, there used to be a book "The Songs We 
> Sing" by Harry Coopersmith that had a words-only book and a book with 
> music.  But my copy is dated 1950, and it is inconsistent in the 
> inclusion of translations and transliterations.  The Tara series, too, 
> has only partial translations and transliterations and would require 
> acquiring many volumes which have no particular themes (e.g., 
> organized by historical period or topic).)
>  
> The Young Judaea shiron comes close, but for many of the songs it 
> omits several verses and only translates and transliterates about half 
> of the verses it includes.  B'kol Echad does well for the relatively 
> small number of songs it includes. 
>  
> What do list members think of the desirability of having such a 
> work?  Does my difficulty in finding such a work reflect:
> 1. the belief that anyone interested enough in the songs of Israel is 
> probably fluent in reading and understanding Hebrew
> and
> 2. the great difficulty and time commitment in making good 
> transliterations and translations?
>  
> On the other hand, and a former "BJ" member I have seen how 
> accessibility can be crucial in getting people involved in singing.  
> Comments please.
>  
> Bob
>  
> P.S.  In the alternative, I would be interested in suggestions for a 
> comprehensive volume or series of booklets of shironim/songsters in 
> Hebrew alone (e.g., I know of the Camp Ramah shiron) that had 
> characteristics 1, 2, 3, and 6.
>  
> P.P.S.  This post is quite long, so I imagine that list-members would 
> appreciate it if those who reply include just the section of my post 
> relevant to their comments.
>  
> Robert Wiener
> wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com <mailto:wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com>
>  




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