Re: Har Nof women's conservatory

[glenn tamir <klezska...>]

And by the way, rightly or wrongly, wisely or
otherwise, Orthodox girls 
are 
not restricted, in a kol isha sense, w/ respect to
what they can listen 
to.

I was refering to the men....


--- Robert Cohen <rlcm17 (at) hotmail(dot)com> wrote:
> Well, restricting one sense (e.g, sadly, among the
> blind; but also in 
> experiments among the sighted) appears to heighten
> awareness of other 
> senses; do you find that hard to believe?  (And
> sorry, but does it matter if 
> you do, if it's so?)  What was said about the girls'
> dancing, and their 
> relationship to their bodies, their clothing, etc.,
> struck me as quite 
> lovely, really, and quite graceful--though I'm not
> really in a position to 
> evaluate whether it is so.  But then, neither is
> Glenn.  We'd have to ask 
> the girls themselves--and/or ask them after they've
> grown some and had a 
> chance to take in the experience.  I, obviously,
> don't know what they'd say.
> 
> 
> Since the school appears to teach both music and
> dance, a "100% focus on 
> music" would appear not to be appropriate.   And in
> a religious Jewish 
> school, where music, dance, and everything else are
> presumably cultivated 
> (not necessarily in a stifling or oppressive way) as
> vehicles of serving the 
> Ribbono Shel Olam, what Glenn calls "other issues"
> are not distractions.  
> They're relevant to the central, defining task of
> the institution and the 
> vocation(s) of its students.
> 
> 
> And by the way, rightly or wrongly, wisely or
> otherwise, Orthodox girls are 
> not restricted, in a kol isha sense, w/ respect to
> what they can listen to.
> 
> --Robert Cohen
> 
> 
> >It's a shame that there can't be a 100% focus on
> the
> >music without the distractions of worrying about
> these
> >other non-musical issues.
> >
> >It says in the article:
> >
> >At the conservatory, religious restrictions are not
> >seen as obstacles to artistic expression. Ballet
> >teacher Minah Nahmani, who also teaches at the
> Rubin
> >Academy of Music and Dance in Jerusalem, said that
> the
> >girls' modesty brings a new dimension of grace to
> >their dancing: "Their high level of awareness of
> their
> >bodies allows them to know what to express
> outwardly
> >and what to keep inside. It is expression through
> >hiding."
> >
> >Is one supposed to infer that covering up one's
> body
> >or resticting what one listens to (kol isha)
> enhances
> >awareness?  I find that to be hard to believe.  The
> >reverse is probably true.
> >
> >--- Judith R Cohen <judithc (at) YorkU(dot)CA> wrote:
> > > hi, check this out in Ha-aretz:
> > >
> > > http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/htmls/kat28_2.htm
> > >
> > > Interesting write-up of an Orthodox women's
> music
> > > conservatory -
> > > comments by the ballet teacher about how the
> women
> > > and girl's "natural
> > > modesty"gives them more grace, "expression
> through
> > > hiding".... and how
> > > hard it is to design a ballet costume which
> allows
> > > for both modesty and
> > > freedom of movement. Judith
> > >
> > > ---------------------- jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> > > ---------------------+
> > >