RE: Healing: Action

[Reyzl Kalifowicz-Waletzky <reyzl...>]

***ALL*** Orthodox shuls around the world, except probably Carlbach's shul 
in NYC, only because of his daughter Neshama insistance that her singing 
transcends kol isha issues.  But I don't know how they work it out there or 
at the Brooklyn Carlbach shul.  Shlomo prepared his congregation to look 
beyond this issue, probably knowing that his daughter would want to sing. 
 But then we have to remember that Lubavitch broke off relations with him, 
because he didn't keep to the rules of negiya.  The whole issue of negiya 
and Shlomo Carlbach is a very important issue and very relevant to this 
list, but no time now for it.

Thanks ladies for the public and private messages to me, but I am not 
really back yet.  Gotta get some important things taken care of first.


Reyzl



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From:  wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com [SMTP:wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com]
Sent:  Friday, February 23, 2001 12:38 AM
To:  World music from a Jewish slant
Subject:  Re: Healing: Action

Trudi the G,

Are you suggesting a boycott?

A while back I asked Jordan what action he would recommend for those
who want to change the position Jews who favor the prohibition of
hearing Kol Isha.  I wonder if he would have suggested boycotts.

In any case, how does one know "events/places that have [observe a
prohibition against] Kol Isha"?  Is it so at all Orthodox shuls?
Where else? Are there telltale hints?  Is there a list?  Do you
propose that there be one?  Or that we ask anyone who announces a
program at such a place to identify it as such a place?

Bob

P.S. How did we get from healing to action anyway?

-----Original Message-----
From: Trudi Goodman <goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com>
To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Healing


>   Shirona:
>    It's not that many people on this List, don't know about what
your
>issues are with Kol Isha. I'm sorry that you didn't get the response
you
>wanted. The best way that I can put it is this: my father(bHsoHso)
Chenik
>Zelig would say that if you put 12 Jews in a room you are going to
get AT
>LEAST 14 different opinions. As a woman I am not happy(an
understatement)
>with Kol Isha, sheitels or any of that other stuff. But I will not
tell
>other Jews how to live(there are enough Gentiles wandering around
these
>days, trying to do just that). Yes, these proscriptions teach women
(and
>men) to hate their bodies and creative impulses...that's my opinion,
too.
>But that's my opinion. So, as I suggested earlier in the week: don't
>patronize events/places that have Kol Isha. And raise heck just as
you are
>doing. I'd be happy to discuss this off list with you, but(and it's a
big
>BUT) some people are just not going to "get" why you are mad about
this, or
>want to do something about it. I'm happy to help anyone who wants to
do
>something about it(it's pissed me off for years). I just don't expect
>everyone to want to. Sad as that is. But hey, some Jews would not
view that
>as "sad"...and they have a RIGHT TO. Whether you or I like it or not.
And I
>will stand up for these Jewish chaverim's rights to disagree with
anyone and
>everyone. My bottom line is I love Jews...and it's like family: you
may not
>always(understatement)agree with them. You may fight with them at
times. You
>may not always like them...but you LOVE them.
>On that note:
>Shalom,Love and lots of great stuff,
>   Trudi the G
>
>
>
>>From: "shirona" <shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
>>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>>Subject: Healing
>>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:26:23 -0800
>>
>>As the debate rages on - concerning the Kol Isha Ervah issue, I'm
still
>>surprised, and disappointed, that so few people  focus on the
fundamental
>>premise of the problem.  In medicine, and in psychology, it is
common
>>knowledge that for true healing to take place - one needs to get to
the
>>CORE of the problem. In order to cure Cancer - we need to kill every
cancer
>>cell in the body, because if we don't - it will develop all over
again.  In
>>healing relationships we try our best to get to the bottom line of
what is
>>causing the problem - because if we don't - the same problem will
erupt
>>again, just like the cancer.
>>
>>Can we all agree that we have a serious problem here?  Can we all
agree
>>that we need  healing?
>>
>>We need to get to the root of this "pathology".  Why are we wasting
so much
>>time and energy on  minutiae? How much longer can this dialogue
continue
>>poking around the surface?   It's like trying to heal Cancer with
>>band-aids.  If we don't understand why this problem is so tough to
resolve,
>>- we will never heal.  It will never just "go away".
>>
>>I asked this question before - but no one answered me yet. (except
for a
>>"diss" from Eric...)
>>
>>There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my
knowledge.  Is
>>it OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind
both
>>sexes, and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it
is
>>that simple, and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the
core
>>issue - then what is?
>>
>>Adrian, I hope you don't find this posting too "off-topic".  I'm
actually
>>trying to hasten a "conclusion"!
>>
>>With much respect and anticipation for the full spectrum of opinions
out
>>there.
>>
>>Shirona
>>
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