Re: Healing: Action

[wiener <wiener...>]

Trudi the G,

Are you suggesting a boycott?

A while back I asked Jordan what action he would recommend for those
who want to change the position Jews who favor the prohibition of
hearing Kol Isha.  I wonder if he would have suggested boycotts.

In any case, how does one know "events/places that have [observe a
prohibition against] Kol Isha"?  Is it so at all Orthodox shuls?
Where else? Are there telltale hints?  Is there a list?  Do you
propose that there be one?  Or that we ask anyone who announces a
program at such a place to identify it as such a place?

Bob

P.S. How did we get from healing to action anyway?

-----Original Message-----
From: Trudi Goodman <goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com>
To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Healing


>   Shirona:
>    It's not that many people on this List, don't know about what
your
>issues are with Kol Isha. I'm sorry that you didn't get the response
you
>wanted. The best way that I can put it is this: my father(bHsoHso)
Chenik
>Zelig would say that if you put 12 Jews in a room you are going to
get AT
>LEAST 14 different opinions. As a woman I am not happy(an
understatement)
>with Kol Isha, sheitels or any of that other stuff. But I will not
tell
>other Jews how to live(there are enough Gentiles wandering around
these
>days, trying to do just that). Yes, these proscriptions teach women
(and
>men) to hate their bodies and creative impulses...that's my opinion,
too.
>But that's my opinion. So, as I suggested earlier in the week: don't
>patronize events/places that have Kol Isha. And raise heck just as
you are
>doing. I'd be happy to discuss this off list with you, but(and it's a
big
>BUT) some people are just not going to "get" why you are mad about
this, or
>want to do something about it. I'm happy to help anyone who wants to
do
>something about it(it's pissed me off for years). I just don't expect
>everyone to want to. Sad as that is. But hey, some Jews would not
view that
>as "sad"...and they have a RIGHT TO. Whether you or I like it or not.
And I
>will stand up for these Jewish chaverim's rights to disagree with
anyone and
>everyone. My bottom line is I love Jews...and it's like family: you
may not
>always(understatement)agree with them. You may fight with them at
times. You
>may not always like them...but you LOVE them.
>On that note:
>Shalom,Love and lots of great stuff,
>   Trudi the G
>
>
>
>>From: "shirona" <shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
>>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>>Subject: Healing
>>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:26:23 -0800
>>
>>As the debate rages on - concerning the Kol Isha Ervah issue, I'm
still
>>surprised, and disappointed, that so few people  focus on the
fundamental
>>premise of the problem.  In medicine, and in psychology, it is
common
>>knowledge that for true healing to take place - one needs to get to
the
>>CORE of the problem. In order to cure Cancer - we need to kill every
cancer
>>cell in the body, because if we don't - it will develop all over
again.  In
>>healing relationships we try our best to get to the bottom line of
what is
>>causing the problem - because if we don't - the same problem will
erupt
>>again, just like the cancer.
>>
>>Can we all agree that we have a serious problem here?  Can we all
agree
>>that we need  healing?
>>
>>We need to get to the root of this "pathology".  Why are we wasting
so much
>>time and energy on  minutiae? How much longer can this dialogue
continue
>>poking around the surface?   It's like trying to heal Cancer with
>>band-aids.  If we don't understand why this problem is so tough to
resolve,
>>- we will never heal.  It will never just "go away".
>>
>>I asked this question before - but no one answered me yet. (except
for a
>>"diss" from Eric...)
>>
>>There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my
knowledge.  Is
>>it OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind
both
>>sexes, and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it
is
>>that simple, and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the
core
>>issue - then what is?
>>
>>Adrian, I hope you don't find this posting too "off-topic".  I'm
actually
>>trying to hasten a "conclusion"!
>>
>>With much respect and anticipation for the full spectrum of opinions
out
>>there.
>>
>>Shirona
>>
>>
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