Re: Healing: Action

[Trudi Goodman <goobietheg...>]

  In answer to your question Bob:  I am not suggesting a boycott. Just that 
if people are bothered by Kol Isha(as I am) that they not spend their money 
at events/venues were it is in practice. A good rule of thumb for me has 
always be to call the organizers of the event and see what's cooking. I just 
ask directly if Kol Isha is in practice at the event. If I get there and it 
is(because people may not have known who organized the event) I always ask 
for my money back and/or raise a stink(albeit) politely. I refuse to not be 
respectful of individual and group Jewish practices, but I always have the 
right to express my opinion, whether someone wants to hear it or 
not---too!!!
    Trudi the G


>From: wiener (at) mindspring(dot)com
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Healing: Action
>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:37:38 -0500
>
>Trudi the G,
>
>Are you suggesting a boycott?
>
>A while back I asked Jordan what action he would recommend for those
>who want to change the position Jews who favor the prohibition of
>hearing Kol Isha.  I wonder if he would have suggested boycotts.
>
>In any case, how does one know "events/places that have [observe a
>prohibition against] Kol Isha"?  Is it so at all Orthodox shuls?
>Where else? Are there telltale hints?  Is there a list?  Do you
>propose that there be one?  Or that we ask anyone who announces a
>program at such a place to identify it as such a place?
>
>Bob
>
>P.S. How did we get from healing to action anyway?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Trudi Goodman <goobietheg (at) hotmail(dot)com>
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:32 PM
>Subject: Re: Healing
>
>
> >   Shirona:
> >    It's not that many people on this List, don't know about what
>your
> >issues are with Kol Isha. I'm sorry that you didn't get the response
>you
> >wanted. The best way that I can put it is this: my father(bHsoHso)
>Chenik
> >Zelig would say that if you put 12 Jews in a room you are going to
>get AT
> >LEAST 14 different opinions. As a woman I am not happy(an
>understatement)
> >with Kol Isha, sheitels or any of that other stuff. But I will not
>tell
> >other Jews how to live(there are enough Gentiles wandering around
>these
> >days, trying to do just that). Yes, these proscriptions teach women
>(and
> >men) to hate their bodies and creative impulses...that's my opinion,
>too.
> >But that's my opinion. So, as I suggested earlier in the week: don't
> >patronize events/places that have Kol Isha. And raise heck just as
>you are
> >doing. I'd be happy to discuss this off list with you, but(and it's a
>big
> >BUT) some people are just not going to "get" why you are mad about
>this, or
> >want to do something about it. I'm happy to help anyone who wants to
>do
> >something about it(it's pissed me off for years). I just don't expect
> >everyone to want to. Sad as that is. But hey, some Jews would not
>view that
> >as "sad"...and they have a RIGHT TO. Whether you or I like it or not.
>And I
> >will stand up for these Jewish chaverim's rights to disagree with
>anyone and
> >everyone. My bottom line is I love Jews...and it's like family: you
>may not
> >always(understatement)agree with them. You may fight with them at
>times. You
> >may not always like them...but you LOVE them.
> >On that note:
> >Shalom,Love and lots of great stuff,
> >   Trudi the G
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "shirona" <shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net>
> >>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >>Subject: Healing
> >>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:26:23 -0800
> >>
> >>As the debate rages on - concerning the Kol Isha Ervah issue, I'm
>still
> >>surprised, and disappointed, that so few people  focus on the
>fundamental
> >>premise of the problem.  In medicine, and in psychology, it is
>common
> >>knowledge that for true healing to take place - one needs to get to
>the
> >>CORE of the problem. In order to cure Cancer - we need to kill every
>cancer
> >>cell in the body, because if we don't - it will develop all over
>again.  In
> >>healing relationships we try our best to get to the bottom line of
>what is
> >>causing the problem - because if we don't - the same problem will
>erupt
> >>again, just like the cancer.
> >>
> >>Can we all agree that we have a serious problem here?  Can we all
>agree
> >>that we need  healing?
> >>
> >>We need to get to the root of this "pathology".  Why are we wasting
>so much
> >>time and energy on  minutiae? How much longer can this dialogue
>continue
> >>poking around the surface?   It's like trying to heal Cancer with
> >>band-aids.  If we don't understand why this problem is so tough to
>resolve,
> >>- we will never heal.  It will never just "go away".
> >>
> >>I asked this question before - but no one answered me yet. (except
>for a
> >>"diss" from Eric...)
> >>
> >>There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my
>knowledge.  Is
> >>it OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind
>both
> >>sexes, and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it
>is
> >>that simple, and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the
>core
> >>issue - then what is?
> >>
> >>Adrian, I hope you don't find this posting too "off-topic".  I'm
>actually
> >>trying to hasten a "conclusion"!
> >>
> >>With much respect and anticipation for the full spectrum of opinions
>out
> >>there.
> >>
> >>Shirona
> >>
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