RE: Healing

[Katie Marcus <kmarcus...>]

Shirona wrote:

>There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my knowledge.  Is 
it >OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind both 
sexes, >and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it is 
that simple, >and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the core 
issue - then what >is?

Shirona, respectfully, Kol Isha- or any other piece of minhag/halacha for 
that matter- did not evolve without the say so of women.  It's impossible 
that men made this decision without the consultation of women!  Women are 
the majority of the population, a minority can't oppress a majority without 
the compliance of the majority.
        How do you explain that many of the proponents of this custom are 
married 
men?  If this was really something all women hated, these men observing the 
prohibition of Kol Isha, wouldn't be allowed back home and in bed each 
night.
-Katie
-----Original Message-----
From:   shirona [SMTP:shirona (at) bellatlantic(dot)net]
Sent:   Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:26 AM
To:     World music from a Jewish slant
Subject:        Healing

As the debate rages on - concerning the Kol Isha Ervah issue, I'm still 
surprised, and disappointed, that so few people  focus on the fundamental 
premise of the problem.  In medicine, and in psychology, it is common 
knowledge that for true healing to take place - one needs to get to the 
CORE of the problem. In order to cure Cancer - we need to kill every cancer 
cell in the body, because if we don't - it will develop all over again.  In 
healing relationships we try our best to get to the bottom line of what is 
causing the problem - because if we don't - the same problem will erupt 
again, just like the cancer.

Can we all agree that we have a serious problem here?  Can we all agree 
that we need  healing?

We need to get to the root of this "pathology".  Why are we wasting so much 
time and energy on  minutiae? How much longer can this dialogue continue 
poking around the surface?   It's like trying to heal Cancer with 
band-aids.  If we don't understand why this problem is so tough to resolve, 
- we will never heal.  It will never just "go away".

I asked this question before - but no one answered me yet. (except for a 
"diss" from Eric...)

There are only TWO sexes in this world,  to the best of my knowledge.  Is 
it OK that one sex has the power to make all the rules that bind both 
sexes, and that the other sex has no say in that process.  For me it is 
that simple, and the answer is either yes or no. If this is not the core 
issue - then what is?

Adrian, I hope you don't find this posting too "off-topic".  I'm actually 
trying to hasten a "conclusion"!

With much respect and anticipation for the full spectrum of opinions out 
there.

Shirona


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