Fw: [HANASHIR:8252] RE: A Woman's Place (Kol Isha)

[shirona <shirona...>]

This thread is going simultaneously on two lists, so I'm forwarding this one 
that was just sent to Hanashir.

Adrian,

At the time of posting the note  "A woman's place" - I had a feeling I would 
hear from you...  :-)   But I truly believe that the issue I raised is the CORE 
of the problem, and that's why I posted it.  Think about it.  If you strip away 
layer after layer and try to get to the bottom of the issue - this is what 
you'll find. Can you find another "bottom line? I mean - what is the point of 
having a discussion if we only stay on the surface of things?

I am sorry if I offended anyone out there ( Jordan, Eric, Judah, ) - but it's 
hard not to offend when you already feel so offended, as I (and obviously so 
many others ) do  by "Kol Isha Ervah".  It's hard not to show a degree of 
disrespect - when I'm forced to hear that my voice is linked to "nakedness and 
lasciviousness".  Sorry. 

My voice is my instrument. G-d has given me a beautiful and spiritual voice, ( 
I appologize for the immodesty ) and all I want to do with it is sing to and 
praise  G-d.  What I do with the music I compose and sing is the farthest thing 
form "nakedness and lasciviousness" as you can imagine.  That is why this 
saying, "Kol Isha Ervah" tears at the fabric of my soul - it hurts so much - 
more than you'll ever know.   This is why I printed on the face of my CD,  in 
Hebrew letters,  "Kol  Isha  T'filah"...

Shirona
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Durlester 
  To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org 
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:47 PM
  Subject: [HANASHIR:8252] RE: A Woman's Place (Kol Isha)


  While, as ListOwner, I felt it worthwhile to allow this thread to continue, 
it now lies dangerously close to leaving behind any connection whatsoever with 
the original discussion - on the subject of "Kol Isha," and I would have to 
suggest that a discussion on the broader issues of the role of men and women in 
Judaism is not wholly germane to this list and should be carried on in another 
forum. I think that the issue of "Kol Isha" remains germane to this list, and I 
encourage continued discussion on this topic. But let's not let the discussion 
go too far astray from the realm of Judaism and music.
   
  Adrian
   
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  Adrian A. Durlester, M.T.S.  - durleste (at) home(dot)com
  http://members.home.net/durleste/
  Hebrew, Judaica & Music Instructor, Akiva School, Nashville TN
  Music Director, Congregation Micah, Nashville, TN http://www.micahnash.org/
  List-Owner for hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org; Co-Owner for L-Torah (at) 
shamash(dot)org http://uahc.org/hanashir
  Editor, Bim Bam (for Torah Aura Productions) http://www.torahaura.com/
  Evening Program Chair, CAJE 26, Aug. 5-9, 2001, Colorado State University
  Member-at-Large, CAJE Board of Directors 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) 
shamash(dot)org]On Behalf Of shirona
    Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:15 PM
    To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org; hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
    Subject: [HANASHIR:8244] A Woman's Place (Kol Isha)


    This topic really hit a nerve...  and I suspect that when there is SO much 
"energy" surrounding a topic - it means that it's an "Idea Who's Time Has 
Come".  Without a doubt - there is a deeper underlying problem that needs to be 
examined here.

      The way I see it  - * * * Total Equality between Men and Women * * *  
Jewishly,  every way,  everywhere. [snip]