Re: Yippie for Hippies (old and new)

[Ari Davidow <ari...>]

Or, heaven help us all, what if Mark or Trudie lose
their ability to hear humor, or their desire to convey
serious ideas using same! It's Elul. It's a good month
to grant each other benefit of the doubt,

ari

At 02:41 PM 9/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
>IT is astonishing to me that a musician who plays
>Jewish music and Americana roots-rock would harbor
>what appears to be prejudices based on generational
>and personal-style differences, i.e. -- "hippie".
>
>This is not an attack:
>For interest's sake, if I'm not mistaken, a photo of
>Mark's band reveal him to be sporting A LOT of tattoos.
>I certainly do not judge him for using his epidermis
>as a canvas, but I hope he is prepared for the kind
>of thoughtless and casual abuse he dishes out when
>he gets "old" and his generation's stylish =mishegas=
>is siezed upon and ridiculed by the next wave of
>o-so-superior younger people.
>
>Wolf
>
>
>"What's so funny about
>peace, love and understanding?"  Elvis Costello
>
>
>
>Trudi Goodman wrote:
>
>>      Hey as an old hippie(or as Abbie Hoffman would say...Yippie!!!) I take
>> great personal offense at this statement!
>>      I challenge you to a duel:  your raging egotism versus me swinging a
>> chicken at you...(Empire Kosher Frozen of course).
>>       Trudi the G
>>
>> >From: M Rubin <mdrubin (at) bga(dot)com>
>> >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>> >Subject: Re: Klezmer! - Fact or Fiction? & an on-topic Q
>> >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:01:10 -0500
>> >
>> >Please, please... I guess it's hopeless to ask, but could we keep the list
>> >to discussing music and not who credited what when.
>> >
>> >I mean, It goes without saying that that the old hippies leftover from the
>> >klezmer "revival" have turned into a babbling pack of backstabbing
>> >doofuses, each bent on revising history to fit thier personal adgendas, or
>> >"mantras" if you will, Henry and Josh included. (How Jewish is a mantra
>> >anyway?)  Not everybody gets published outside a chat line though.
>> >
>> >Chew on this tidbit: It's as important to the discussion as cups on a
>> >corpse. (I can't listen to Partisans ever again without the image of a sad
>> >old hippie fuming over some book so bad he had to go share it with the
>> >pitifull few subscribers to this here list. Dude, it's sad.)
>> >
>> >Let me state for the record: In my young career in folk and vernacular
>> >musical scenes, y'all round here take the cake for this sort of divisive
>> >and bitter spirited discourse. It turns the stomach, really.
>> >
>> >Having the unique experience of being both a camper,  performer and a
>> >staffer at a few of these battling Klez events, I can tell you that never
>> >is heard an encouraging word. Sure, there's trash talk backstage at the
>> >Bohemian battle dances in Praha TX, and sideways glances as the bands take
>> >the stage at the Conjunto Fest every year. But nothing like I've seen go
>> >down here, good people. It's like getting into a knife fight over a
>> >quarter, what's the point? Bill Monroe would never be caught in a public
>> >forum slagging anybody, much less folks who really deserved it. He
>> >recognized that there is little gained in dragging anybody down to shine a
>> >little
>> >on them. Like crabs in a bucket, you don't have to put a lid on 'em, they
>> >always pull each other back in.
>> >
>> >If this is the klezmer scene, maybe it shouldnt have been revived in the
>> >place.
>> >
>> >On topic:
>> >
>> >Hey, anybody out there know when the tuba first appeared in Jewish music?
>> >
>> >I figgered it was concidered a "loud" instrument, therfore forbidden until
>> >the 1800's or so. The instrument really hasn't been standardized until very
>> >recently, so I guess bass horn is a better description. I have a 78 of a
>> >USSR ensemble doing a doina w/ a freilach at the end and to my each I hear
>> >2 tubas in fact, probably BBb, but that's from the 1930's.
>> >
>> >The tuba is/was a mighty expensive instrument as well, though I take issue
>> >with Dr.Klez's riff that rotary valve instruments were more expensive then,
>> >my information says the opposite in fact. I've seen a lot of photos of
>> >village bands with trombonik looking horns which I understand are of the
>> >Cimbasso family (valved bass trombones in F and Bb.)
>> >
>> >So the querry is, any evidence as to when they showed up as an acceptable
>> >bass instrument among Jewish players?
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >
>> >___________________________________________________________
>> >Mark Rubin
>> >
>> >POB 49227, Austin TX 78765
>> >http://www.markrubin.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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