Yippie for Hippies(old and new)

[Trudi Goodman <goobietheg...>]

     Hey as an old hippie(or as Abbie Hoffman would say...Yippie!!!) I take 
great personal offense at this statement!
     I challenge you to a duel:  your raging egotism versus me swinging a 
chicken at you...(Empire Kosher Frozen of course).
      Trudi the G


>From: M Rubin <mdrubin (at) bga(dot)com>
>Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
>To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
>Subject: Re: Klezmer! - Fact or Fiction? & an on-topic Q
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:01:10 -0500
>
>Please, please... I guess it's hopeless to ask, but could we keep the list
>to discussing music and not who credited what when.
>
>I mean, It goes without saying that that the old hippies leftover from the
>klezmer "revival" have turned into a babbling pack of backstabbing
>doofuses, each bent on revising history to fit thier personal adgendas, or
>"mantras" if you will, Henry and Josh included. (How Jewish is a mantra
>anyway?)  Not everybody gets published outside a chat line though.
>
>Chew on this tidbit: It's as important to the discussion as cups on a
>corpse. (I can't listen to Partisans ever again without the image of a sad
>old hippie fuming over some book so bad he had to go share it with the
>pitifull few subscribers to this here list. Dude, it's sad.)
>
>Let me state for the record: In my young career in folk and vernacular
>musical scenes, y'all round here take the cake for this sort of divisive
>and bitter spirited discourse. It turns the stomach, really.
>
>Having the unique experience of being both a camper,  performer and a
>staffer at a few of these battling Klez events, I can tell you that never
>is heard an encouraging word. Sure, there's trash talk backstage at the
>Bohemian battle dances in Praha TX, and sideways glances as the bands take
>the stage at the Conjunto Fest every year. But nothing like I've seen go
>down here, good people. It's like getting into a knife fight over a
>quarter, what's the point? Bill Monroe would never be caught in a public
>forum slagging anybody, much less folks who really deserved it. He
>recognized that there is little gained in dragging anybody down to shine a
>little
>on them. Like crabs in a bucket, you don't have to put a lid on 'em, they
>always pull each other back in.
>
>If this is the klezmer scene, maybe it shouldnt have been revived in the 
>place.
>
>On topic:
>
>Hey, anybody out there know when the tuba first appeared in Jewish music?
>
>I figgered it was concidered a "loud" instrument, therfore forbidden until
>the 1800's or so. The instrument really hasn't been standardized until very
>recently, so I guess bass horn is a better description. I have a 78 of a
>USSR ensemble doing a doina w/ a freilach at the end and to my each I hear
>2 tubas in fact, probably BBb, but that's from the 1930's.
>
>The tuba is/was a mighty expensive instrument as well, though I take issue
>with Dr.Klez's riff that rotary valve instruments were more expensive then,
>my information says the opposite in fact. I've seen a lot of photos of
>village bands with trombonik looking horns which I understand are of the
>Cimbasso family (valved bass trombones in F and Bb.)
>
>So the querry is, any evidence as to when they showed up as an acceptable
>bass instrument among Jewish players?
>
>Thanks!
>
>___________________________________________________________
>Mark Rubin
>
>POB 49227, Austin TX 78765
>http://www.markrubin.com
>
>
>

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