Re: Yippie for Hippies (old and new)

[Kame'a Media <media...>]

IT is astonishing to me that a musician who plays
Jewish music and Americana roots-rock would harbor
what appears to be prejudices based on generational
and personal-style differences, i.e. -- "hippie".

This is not an attack:
For interest's sake, if I'm not mistaken, a photo of
Mark's band reveal him to be sporting A LOT of tattoos.
I certainly do not judge him for using his epidermis
as a canvas, but I hope he is prepared for the kind
of thoughtless and casual abuse he dishes out when
he gets "old" and his generation's stylish =mishegas=
is siezed upon and ridiculed by the next wave of
o-so-superior younger people.

Wolf


"What's so funny about
peace, love and understanding?"  Elvis Costello



Trudi Goodman wrote:

>      Hey as an old hippie(or as Abbie Hoffman would say...Yippie!!!) I take
> great personal offense at this statement!
>      I challenge you to a duel:  your raging egotism versus me swinging a
> chicken at you...(Empire Kosher Frozen of course).
>       Trudi the G
>
> >From: M Rubin <mdrubin (at) bga(dot)com>
> >Reply-To: jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org
> >To: World music from a Jewish slant <jewish-music (at) shamash(dot)org>
> >Subject: Re: Klezmer! - Fact or Fiction? & an on-topic Q
> >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:01:10 -0500
> >
> >Please, please... I guess it's hopeless to ask, but could we keep the list
> >to discussing music and not who credited what when.
> >
> >I mean, It goes without saying that that the old hippies leftover from the
> >klezmer "revival" have turned into a babbling pack of backstabbing
> >doofuses, each bent on revising history to fit thier personal adgendas, or
> >"mantras" if you will, Henry and Josh included. (How Jewish is a mantra
> >anyway?)  Not everybody gets published outside a chat line though.
> >
> >Chew on this tidbit: It's as important to the discussion as cups on a
> >corpse. (I can't listen to Partisans ever again without the image of a sad
> >old hippie fuming over some book so bad he had to go share it with the
> >pitifull few subscribers to this here list. Dude, it's sad.)
> >
> >Let me state for the record: In my young career in folk and vernacular
> >musical scenes, y'all round here take the cake for this sort of divisive
> >and bitter spirited discourse. It turns the stomach, really.
> >
> >Having the unique experience of being both a camper,  performer and a
> >staffer at a few of these battling Klez events, I can tell you that never
> >is heard an encouraging word. Sure, there's trash talk backstage at the
> >Bohemian battle dances in Praha TX, and sideways glances as the bands take
> >the stage at the Conjunto Fest every year. But nothing like I've seen go
> >down here, good people. It's like getting into a knife fight over a
> >quarter, what's the point? Bill Monroe would never be caught in a public
> >forum slagging anybody, much less folks who really deserved it. He
> >recognized that there is little gained in dragging anybody down to shine a
> >little
> >on them. Like crabs in a bucket, you don't have to put a lid on 'em, they
> >always pull each other back in.
> >
> >If this is the klezmer scene, maybe it shouldnt have been revived in the
> >place.
> >
> >On topic:
> >
> >Hey, anybody out there know when the tuba first appeared in Jewish music?
> >
> >I figgered it was concidered a "loud" instrument, therfore forbidden until
> >the 1800's or so. The instrument really hasn't been standardized until very
> >recently, so I guess bass horn is a better description. I have a 78 of a
> >USSR ensemble doing a doina w/ a freilach at the end and to my each I hear
> >2 tubas in fact, probably BBb, but that's from the 1930's.
> >
> >The tuba is/was a mighty expensive instrument as well, though I take issue
> >with Dr.Klez's riff that rotary valve instruments were more expensive then,
> >my information says the opposite in fact. I've seen a lot of photos of
> >village bands with trombonik looking horns which I understand are of the
> >Cimbasso family (valved bass trombones in F and Bb.)
> >
> >So the querry is, any evidence as to when they showed up as an acceptable
> >bass instrument among Jewish players?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >___________________________________________________________
> >Mark Rubin
> >
> >POB 49227, Austin TX 78765
> >http://www.markrubin.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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