[HANASHIR:16283] RE: just so we're clear on the matter...

[ilana axel <iaxel...>]

Sorry to jump in, but "ru-ach" and "elo-ah" are
definitely not diphthongs. The only diphthongs I know
of in Hebrew are, for example, in the word "Chai" or
the end of "elohai". And, Rahel is so correct, the "w"
in ru'ach is totally incorrect, even though I'm guilty
of saying it myself sometimes. Happy Chanukah
everyone, Ilana
--- Freedabet (at) aol(dot)com wrote:
> The 'W' sound that occurs between two vowels is a
> result of lazy diction.  You can pronounce it
> 'ru-ach' or 'ruwach' -- it's a matter of paying
> attention to detail.
> 
> Michael
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: eric (at) komarmusic(dot)com 
>   To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:37 AM
>   Subject: [HANASHIR:16239] RE: just so we're clear
> on the matter...
> 
> 
>   Point taken, Hazzan. The "malei" thing is the key.
> However, I don't know if I'd consider ruach and
> eloah instances of diphthongs either for this
> reason: Diphthongs are normally when 2 vowel sounds
> occur within 1 syllable. The double vowels rUAch and
> elOAh are occurring in 2 syllables - 1 vowel in
> each. (If you're referring to the "w" sound that
> incidentally occurs in between those vowels, some
> might argue these are instances of diphthongs.) Erik
> is right though - Israeli vowel phonetics are much
> purer than English.
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
> [mailto:owner-hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org]On
>   Behalf Of erik contzius
>   Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:35 AM
>   To: hanashir (at) shamash(dot)org
>   Subject: [HANASHIR:16238] just so we're clear on
> the matter...
> 
> 
>   although Eric Komar's posting was "mostly" correct
>   regarding transliteration, the tzeirei is
> technically
>   NOT a dipthong. Tzeirei Malei (Tzeirei followed by
> a
>   yud) is a dipthong, but tzeirei by itself is the
> long
>   form of segol (the eh sound). Imagine the "ei"
> sound
>   (as in "weigh") and before getting to the "ee"
> sound
>   at the end of the dipthong, you stop. 
> 
> 
>   The only dipthongs that occur in
>   Hebrew involve the malei form (vowel followed by a
>   yud) or two apparent vowels together (vowel
> followed
>   by patakh ganuv, like in "Eloah" or "Ruakh").
> 
> 
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